Because if they order components for machines they can't sell, they still have to pay for the components.
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Because if they order components for machines they can't sell, they still have to pay for the components.
Great but it depends what you’re applying the word pro to, (and these new Macbooks are not). Bosch for example do a GSB and a GSR range of cordless drills. One is pro and the other is consumer. I could use either in my job as a builder but it doesn't make it Pro tooling.
But keep simplifying
In fact I could use a drill bit made from chocolate at work or a drill bit made from carbide for a job at home.
Which is pro?
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Why are we blaming Intel for the failure of Apple to have better processors? Don’t be ridiculous. We can only blame Intel for the failure of Intel to have better processors. Nothing stops Apple from using/developing their own or going elsewhere, so it’s blame THEM.
When things go well it’s Apple who have done a great job to have honed hardware and software and when it's not then it’s Intel, Samsung or LG who can't get the yield, resolution or TDP right?
Surely not all. But as I said most I have seen. Also (except for official Apple stores) a lot of tech stores selling macs in china have them running windows in their shops.
Check out Apples numbers in 6 months. Specifically, their market share, then get back to me.
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They're most likely just using that type of person as a meme to describe the rich kids with parents that can afford to by them MacBooks.
For working professionals, like myself and others on the forum, we don't want to throw our money away at a product just because it has the Apple logo on it.
Using a computer as means for our lively hood is important to us and we also don't appreciate being bullied by companies like Apple with this type of dictatorship.
Apple was once great (when Steve was around) but we're starting to see a decline in their products as of late.
And if you are wrong? What then? Seems like a very convenient way to evade a topic without stepping down because it's likely non of us will remember this conversation next week, much less 6 months from now.
No you're not understanding what I'm saying. Wait in 1-2 years and then you get back to me.
Well, here's the thing. Their profits are already trending down.
http://www.macworld.co.uk/news/appl...-results-iphone-mac-sales-down-again-3581769/
Lucky for Apple, the Samsung note disaster will help them out a bit. There may also be a small bump in MacBooks because of the new release, but I would bet on them losing market share to Windows laptops.
It's a competitive industry out there and the technologies are more available to a wider scope of manufacturers, and for the average consumer, price is what will dictate their purchase.
This is why a lot of the pro users are so outraged with this new MacBook, they expected a high industry standard machine and Apple fell short on their delivery.
What do you think about this?
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In 1-2 years Microsoft will probably have a refreshed version of the surface book line that will show consumer growth.
I'm looking forward to the next Dell XPS at this point
As well as a the current design MacBook Pro coming back down to the same price as it was before the event. That's why the MBA no longer sells at $1799 and why the 15-inch rMBP wasn't selling for $2199.
I agree Apple will have increased competition from MS, and that's great, but so too will MS have with Apple when the time eventually comes that the Touchbar MBP has matured and comes back down to acceptable, mainstream pricing.
Hence, in 1-2 years.
Well, the 15" of the time wasn't a bad desktop replacement, either.
No, it also kept the ExpressCard slot long after it had disappeared from the 15". That's quite a big thing (although ExpressCard is pretty dead now) - for instance, I was able to add USB 3 support. I've seen people using it for specialised video hardware, too.
The new MBP isn't too shabby in terms of i/o bandwidth with 4xTB3 ports which can all do anything (apart from the PCIe bandwidth restriction on 2 of them which is probably simply down to the processor not having that many PCIe lanes) - its a bit restricted in terms of "number of things plugged in-width" though - you're gonna want a dock/hub of some sort.
I think one fly in the ointment is the idea of sharing video & data on a single socket: the "Thunderbolt Display" idea was great with 1440p video (shame Apple stunted the idea by keeping the TB display overpriced & the third-party docks took forever to appear) but if you're moving to 4k@60Hz, 5k or multiple UHD displays then it really doesn't leave much headroom for data (especially with the lack of uptake of DisplayPort 1.3) - hang one of those off a USB-C port and it takes all 4 high-speed pairs, just leaving the USB-2 legacy pair. It will run your keyboard & mouse, but you're not gonna want your ethernet or external drives running off that dock. TB3 does rather better, but still a big chunk of the bandwidth goes to the display. I suspect that the "single cable docking" dream is going to turn into 1 cable for display #1, 1 cable for display #2, 1 cable for charge & everything else. Still, not bad.
1- Everyone was waiting forever for a completely new MBP, is it 4 years?
2-Maybe its one of those cases where they will sell 300,000 in the first month and then 100k next month and then it goes in the couple of thousands.
High prices, and 5 weeks wait makes this upgrade not only disappointing but annoying. I am just waiting to hear the faults coming in the first batches, as is with all new products.
2-Maybe its one of those cases where they will sell 300,000 in the first month and then 100k next month and then it goes in the couple of thousands.
High prices, and 5 weeks wait makes this upgrade not only disappointing but annoying. I am just waiting to hear the faults coming in the first batches, as is with all new products.
Excel does not make someone a professional...
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I was back at the Genius Bar for yet more Apple issues (accidentally self inflicted issue this time which makes a change) so they don't have the best quality. But that aside this gent was speaking to another lady waiting for the genius to come back saying how this was his last Apple laptop (or was it device) complaining about 4 USB-c ports and the other ports being removed and the issues it was causing him and that Apple had lost its gloss.
I was just thinking ditto.
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Apple stopped giving unit numbers, I guess they know demand is slowing/reversing
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I'll have to call you on that one, 16gb isn't an intel limitation but an Apple one.
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Ha..........
I suspect that people would be really surprised at how LITTLE really had to be reengineered to make this new MBP. For example, you don't have to have a new keyboard designed because of a new CPU, or even that 1/16th of an iPad.
True, the commodity component prices continue to decline ... but that doesn't mean that Apple will actually reduce their retail prices to match.
Case in point, the base 2013 Mac Pro has had only a 6.6% reduction in total across the past three years that it has been on sale (2013: $2999; Today: $2799), which is only a 2.3%/year decline.
...oh, and you have to go to the correct webpage to get that discounted price, as the nMP is still listed at zero discount ($2999) on Apple's "Small Business" storefront: http://www.apple.com/us_smb_78313/shop/buy-mac/mac-pro
Try looking again, keeping in mind Moore's Law and commodity part price trends, as well as Apple's growths in market share (which amortizes fixed development costs across many more units sold):
1999 - First PowerMac G4: $1599
2003 - First PowerMac G5: $1999
2006 - First Intel Mac Pro: $2199
2013 - First Trash Can MP: $2999
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I'll have to call you on that one, 16gb isn't an intel limitation but an Apple one.
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Ha..........
It is an Intel limit on this CPU and using low power RAM. Apple could make a different computer that can use 32gb. But this CPU cannot use the low power RAM in greater than 16gb.
Only because Apple chose thin and light over performance. With last years form factor, there's no need to use low power RAM.
Yep. But weight is important in a laptop. Logically it should make no sense that getting thinner is actually helpful because all laptops are super thin and easily fit into any bag. But I strongly suspect that "thin" sells devices more than we realize. Apple wanted to make this computer.
Also there have been some reports of real world tests of these machines with 16gb and they don't break a sweat even with dozens of programs up and running. Now some pros must have some points in their production and workflow where more ram helps. But this is fast RAM with a fast CPU and a very fast SSD. Probably only a tiny fraction of users could use more RAM. And it is unfortunate that there are no refreshed powerhouse desktops for those users. But Apple didn't want this laptop to solve those desktop issues.
Yes, of course that is heavy-duty use, often performed by a professional (which simply means someone that relies on their gear to make a living).
The comments about Starbucks jokingly refer to the yuppy crowd that simply wants to be seen updating Facebook amongst the coffee crowd. And truth be told, more power to them. The more people that own MacBook Pros, the better off we'll all be.
So it’s an Apple limitation. They were the ones that chose to put that CPU in the notebook.
