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Everyone, calm your tits. Apple won't completely abandon x86. It's suicide. Instead, they will likely introduce an ARM product and name it something other than "mac"

Exactly. How about the "Beats Box*"? Combine two really bad ideas that nearly everyone hates.


* - by Dr. Dre
 
They got a huge market share when they switched from PPC. Don't put Apple in the hole again by making a step in the other direction. How about instead of trying to make laptops paper thin, you just leave them the same thickness and put a bigger battery in it?

I really wish they'd stop ignoring the professional market. Content creators and people in media centric fields can't get work done with CPUs as weak as ARM. Even i7s start to feel sluggish with big projects. Does Apple really expect ARM to get the job done?

Stop making useless changes for the sake of change.

Apple is turning into a big disappointment.
 
15 inch and larger is PRO, as in for the use by "professionals", anything less than 15 inches is simply too small a screen to be of any professional use, Mr Ive knows this and chooses to be a complete fool to stick the label Pro to 13inch devices, Is Mr Ive considering calling the iphone 7 next week the new MacBook Pro...After all small is better...

What is worse is the "professionals" in the world of creative said nothing, did not blog and demand 17inch professional grade laptops...

If that 13 inch MBPr can drive a large monitor, I don't see what the problem is.
 
Why not for way of change, not design anything new, why not give the developers time to build the crap we need for the laptops already out there? Stop changing the USB to something my hard drive from 2012 cannot access...
 
What you're looking for is already out running linux. It's 99 dollars. You better jump on board quick! it has arm so that means it's already amazing according to you.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/

Power consumption isn't a concern to me because I live in the 21st century where I can plug things into the wall outlet and the battery life is sufficient for me. The minute Apple drops intel based processors is the day I buy a Microsoft surface running Intel's core i7 instead.



Apple has no problem designing their own chipsets. They want the power consumption taken down so they already want to design their own chipsets. I don't have a source handy but I think I read they already wanted to design the more power hungry chips in their macbooks. Besides that, AMD already has a solution. They're launching their own ARM architecture for servers. AMD would be happy to design a chipset for Apple to help them move from Intel.
 
3600 employees is definitely small

What kind of backwards world do you live in? 3600 may be much smaller than Apple, Microsoft, and many other megacorporations, but it's still way bigger than the average business.

That's kind of like saying someone with $50m isn't rich, because there are a lot of billionaires out there.
 
Transitioning to a new architecture is never just a push a button and it automagically recompiles for you for anything but simple apps. There's a lot more to it than that.

Transition from Intel x32 to x64 is more problematic then transition from Intel x64 to AMD x64. Any x64 compatible valid C code will compile for ARMv8 out of box. Will there be a performance penalty? Possible, but highly unlikely. Of course, this depends on the compiler and also on the code.

And often times performance sensitive apps (such as games and emulators) have specific optimizations that are left behind.

Sure, if assembly is involved. Those applications would require a hard rewrite. But those applications are an absolute minority.

Even now certain applications and games haven't been upgraded to intel or universal binary. That software was also rendered unusable when Apple dropped Rosetta from OS X.

Sure. But its much more complex than that. Many older applications used Carbon instead of Cocoa and also had other dependencies. This is a very difficult port and many developers did not have the resources (or simply decided that they don't want to do it). I am talking about modern, x64 ready Cocoa applications. Many developers are already sharing the same business logic code between iOS and OS X (only swapping the model and parts of the controller code as needed). Why does it work? Because both iOS and OS X use the same programming language with same data type sizes/alignments and same APIs. In the end, the target instruction set does not matter. Unless you are applying platform-specific optimisations, but again, these cases has become very rare nowadays.

And regardless of all this, there is the clear case of ARB Linux which shows that cross-compilation of properly written C applications is not an issue.
 
If that 13 inch MBPr can drive a large monitor, I don't see what the problem is.

The problem is that I do not want to carry with me, a 27inch external monitor, some idiot with blindness designed the FCP X interface using a 100inch 10k monitor, Mr Ive told the FCP X interface design team 13inch was professional grade...
 
It is clear to me that an ARM-based laptop will happen. Timing is everything and will only be introduced when it is ready. In this date and age, it doesn't make sense to have laptops that still get so hot. ARM solves that issue.

Except.. they don't?

My 2012 MBP is cool to the touch under light web browsing use while on my lap. Obviously if I do video or something I put it on my desk. MBAs and rMBPs are even cooler. I don't the problem.
 
... In fact, the A7 chip is currently being underutilized in Apple's iPhone and iPad devices, leaving some of its power untapped ...

Which is exactly why the rumor about an A8 in iPhone 6 is the rumor I doubt the most.
The only reason it would make sense to me is if the main feature/focus of the A8 design was not on speed but on being way less power hungry.

On the ARM based laptops/desktops:
Crossing my fingers that it won't happen. Ever.
I seriously enjoy 'the most compatible'/'easy to develop for' Mac architecture ever.
 
To be fair the only reason I'm not on board with ARM Macs is because the transition and breaking all app support. Power isn't really the issue to me, I think one or two A8s in a laptop would be plenty for an ultraportable secondary computer.

The things that limit the iPad for productivity is RAM, storage, OS restrictions, and the drawbacks of a smallish screen/touch UI. The processor isn't the problem for me with tablets.

If they could make multiple ARM processor setups as powerful as single intel chips for less money that why not? I wouldn't be ENTIRELY opposed to it I guess... I'm confident Apple wouldn't mess it up.
 
Sorry, but its you who don't seem to understand how things work. Recompiling a modern OS X application to ARM takes literally one push of a button. There is no additional optimisation needed, no fixes and no rewrites — unless you are doing something extremely exotic in your app. Its just download the new Xcode version, rebuild your app and resubmit it to the app store. The same application can contain native code for both Intel and ARM version. OS X was designed with this kind of flexibility in mind from the start.



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An iOS interface does not make any sense on a notebook. And basically the only difference between iOS and OS X is that they use different interface frontends. Most of the code is shared between both OSes. Or do you think that Apple would develop a custom OS only for a ARM notebook line? Why would they do that if they can just natively compile OS X to ARM?

I understand perfectly of how things in the REAL world. It will take a long while for all these developers to recompile. Not to mention they may consider changing the license between the the platforms ETC. The world is not not cut and dry, technology even more so.

Regardless, It's my last Apple product computer wise if they move away from Intel.
 
What you're looking for is already out running linux. It's 99 dollars. You better jump on board quick! it has arm so that means it's already amazing according to you.

http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/99-arm-based-pc-runs-either-ubuntu-or-android/

Power consumption isn't a concern to me because I live in the 21st century where I can plug things into the wall outlet and the battery life is sufficient for me. The minute Apple drops intel based processors is the day I buy a Microsoft surface running Intel's core i7 instead.

Apple has doubled the performance of their ARM chips on an annual basis. Nobody can know where that will level off, but if it leveled off right now and they had a 2.6Ghz A7 core running with good yields at fabs then they could easily double core count to 4 cores and outperform Intel in the TDP they operate in. I'm not an ARM fanatic.. But when Apple has chip designers they hired away from AMD working for them and doubling performance so that my iPad with last year's A7 is almost half the speed of my Macbook Pro, you have to acknowledge this is more than likely. In addition, Apple could drop Macbook prices by $200 and still increase their profit margin by $100. That's huge.
 
OSX ARM based OS that can run iOS apps?

Interesting...wouldn't be starting from scratch in terms of ecosystem and not fall into the RT trap.
 
This really only makes sense for the Air, and give it 4G LTE as well and then you have something. But without a retina screen, I wouldn't get one. But I really don't care about the trackpad.. I rarely use my trackpad on my rMBP. If I have a place to put my computer down, I bring my mouse/pad with me. It's a mouse for me all the way.
 
I'd be much more interested in a hybrid solution, where an A8 would automatically run lower end tasks (like Safari and the like) but there was still a low power, maybe just dual core i5/i7 (like the Airs currently have) for other tasks. Even if certain programs were strictly assigned to the A8 (Safari, Mail etc) there could be a benefit there.
 
I pray for the day the lawsuit is filed to prevent Apple from bundling an OS with Safari. I stopped using Safari when the OS was in the early days of 10. Tiger I think, Safari had so many issues, even today, I refuse to use it.
 
OSX ARM based OS that can run iOS apps?

Interesting...wouldn't be starting from scratch in terms of ecosystem and not fall into the RT trap.

Next gen MacBook/ MBA running OSX RT /s. On a serious note, it would make a good case for Apple to have universal apps for iOS & Mac.
 
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