Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Secondly, and this is sort of off topic for this article, $99/year for an email app? Really? When there are perfectly good free apps out there? Geez!

It's not an app, it's apparently a whole new paradigm for dealing with emails and also includes the email service.

Gmail isn't free, it's paid for through advertising.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Apple Freak
Either that or we may see a lot fewer companies operate in the EU.

You think Apple are going to pull out of the third biggest market in the world to cling on to their anticompetitive practices?

Nope.

They've already started the slow climb down. Siri with Spotify was the start.


Why? Apple pays rent etc to be in those shopping malls same as every other store. Apple isn't trying to worm there way out of it.

They were trying to worm their way out of $14 billion in tax in Ireland iirc
 
  • Like
Reactions: jonblatho
Nope. Download Basecamp on iOS. It’s a full CMS. Comes under the Reader app category. This is an intern gone rogue in the case of Hey. Btw, Basecamp is by the same guy.
It’s up to Apple what they want to add as a category to the reader exception. For example, they except VoIP services.

I agree that Apple should be consistent however. Unless it falls into an exception category, it shouldn’t be classified as a reader app.

Either Apple is excepting apps like BaseCamp or it’s not. Sounds like an intern gone rogue may have approved basecamp by mistake. How does Apple treat basecamp’s competitors?
 
Apple doesn’t charge any company for any app, as long as there are no in app purchases or links directly for in app purchases. In the case of eCommerce, there are direct links, but Apple still doesn’t charge a fee. This seems to be an idiotic intern who will get his ass fired.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: pallymore
Apple employs very low caliber labor to run these processes. Eceleb dhh will get special treatment here but mainstream devs get screwed.
 
It’s up to Apple what they want to add as a category to the reader exception. For example, they except VoIP services.

I agree that Apple should be consistent however. Unless it falls into an exception category, it shouldn’t be classified as a reader app.

Either Apple is excepting apps like BaseCamp or it’s not. Sounds like an intern gone rogue may have approved basecamp by mistake. How does Apple treat basecamp’s competitors?

Read my above reply. Apple doesn’t charge for any app that doesn’t have in app purchases. Period. Basecamp isn’t the exception. It’s the norm. Hey being rejected is an intern gone rogue.
 
It’s up to Apple what they want to add as a category to the reader exception. For example, they except VoIP services.

I agree that Apple should be consistent however. Unless it falls into an exception category, it shouldn’t be classified as a reader app.

Either Apple is excepting apps like BaseCamp or it’s not. Sounds like an intern gone rogue may have approved basecamp by mistake. How does Apple treat basecamp’s competitors?
Thankfully, we don’t even need to ask the question at the end because we can look directly at how Apple treats Hey’s competitors:


Also, Basecamp isn’t exactly a small service that no one’s heard of — it’s been around for over 20 years and has millions of users. If this was an “intern gone rogue,” they’ve been going rogue for years.
 
  • Like
Reactions: snek
How many times are you going to edit your post because someone gives you a thumbs down? Hilarious.

As many times as I'd like. I find it hilarious when people disagree with obvious facts and then provide no rebuttal. Feel free to provide that rebuttal anytime rather than worrying about tracking the edit times on my post.
 
Really? How would u like zero revenue instead of $70 million?

Traditionally, distributors charged 50+% of retail price to get you into a store. Some just don’t understand how good a deal 30% is.

I can understand wanting to pay less though, everyone always wants to pay less.

If you think 30% is a good deal, how about the package industry switch the rate to 30% of the value inside for a sending a packet.
 
Good luck explaining that to the EU. Apple will be instbanned from EU for life.

Apparently you didn't read what I wrote, as the whole point was drawing the distinction between what you're talking about and developers purposely breaking the rules and then whining about being held accountable for it.
 
Really? How would u like zero revenue instead of $70 million?

Traditionally, distributors charged 50+% of retail price to get you into a store. Some just don’t understand how good a deal 30% is.

I can understand wanting to pay less though, everyone always wants to pay less.

Because it's is impossible that I got my subscribers on my website.
 
Nobody can dictate what Apple charges. EU can ensure they open up side loading. They can’t legally stop them from charging 30%. But they can allow apps to circumvent it to give Apple 0%. That is it.

I don't care about how much money Apple takes, i care about the fact they have the only store and they decide to not put an app on it because it might do competition to one of their app or it might with an app that they might want to write eventually or for any other reasons for that matter.
 
I don't care about how much money Apple takes, i care about the fact they have the only store and they decide to not put an app on it because it might do competition to one of their app or it might with an app that they might want to write eventually or for any other reasons for that matter.

And this the EU can fix. Even if sideloading were possible, almost nobody would do it. FYI.
 
It’s not really “unlocking” if you’re signing in to access features you’ve already paid for, though. This is how the policy has been interpreted pretty consistently through the years, both from “giants” and smaller companies, even startups.

Huh? The whole point is that they're telling people to sign up for the service outside the app. They haven't paid for anything yet if they're reading that message.
 
  • Disagree
Reactions: jonblatho
Hey is developed by a small business and is relatively unknown. It is more difficult to boss around bigger players like Netflix or Spotify.

Or any other independent developer. If you are one, I think it's wise to support DHH in this instance... I wonder how this issue will blow up on future versions of macos.
 
If I see someone speed by a state trooper and not get pulled over, I don't then go out the next day and speed by him and then complain when I get pulled over. The issue is not the terms, which are quite clear, but that Apple is supposedly not enforcing them consistently. That point I do very much see and agree is problematic, but that does NOT excuse any developer from purposely violating the terms themselves. Not sure why people can't see this important distinction.
yeah when your argument boils down to analogies pulled out of the same hole that apple pulled the app store terms... you don't have much of an argument.
The terms are not at all clear, they are not enforced with any consistency, and one can come up with hundred of actual examples that show these inconsistencies within the App store, and not about state troopers and speeding (which is governed by a clear law, and court-backed decisions btw, so yeah your argument fails there too). Should my bank also offer the option to sign up for my credit card through their app and then take a cut out of the yearly fee? Should uber and lyft pay a 30% to Apple for every ride? What do you think?


The bottom line is that Apple is juicing the app store, and engaging in very predatory and illegal tactics while doing so, and someone should step in because clearly they don't care about the developers (anymore) or their users.
 
  • Like
Reactions: whfsdude
Personally, I’d rather trust Apple with Security of my credit card than a startup company. They already have my credit card details, so why give an extra opportunity to a company with no track record.
 
You’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. Physical goods are allowed to be sold without any revenue sharing with Apple.

I know. And that’s exactly the issue. Apple can’t decide things on a whim. As per Anti Trust laws.
[automerge]1592348138[/automerge]
Personally, I’d rather trust Apple with Security of my credit card than a startup company. They already have my credit card details, so why give an extra opportunity to a company with no track record.

Then don’t. I’m sure you’re not the target audience for a $99/year email service with your attitude.
 
Huh? The whole point is that they're telling people to sign up for the service outside the app. They haven't paid for anything yet if they're reading that message.
Except the whole thing where, like, they’re not. Are you even paying attention to any of this? That’s long been against the rules; basically every developer knows where the line in the sand is on that. That would certainly include this guy, who is CTO of Basecamp, which does this exact sign-in-only thing with their app.
 
  • Disagree
Reactions: usagora
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.