Actually, it’s more that this rule seemingly doesn’t apply to his other company, one that’s far more known, Basecamp:
It doesn’t apply to any app, big or small, that doesn’t allow in app purchases.
Actually, it’s more that this rule seemingly doesn’t apply to his other company, one that’s far more known, Basecamp:
Secondly, and this is sort of off topic for this article, $99/year for an email app? Really? When there are perfectly good free apps out there? Geez!
Either that or we may see a lot fewer companies operate in the EU.
Why? Apple pays rent etc to be in those shopping malls same as every other store. Apple isn't trying to worm there way out of it.
It’s up to Apple what they want to add as a category to the reader exception. For example, they except VoIP services.Nope. Download Basecamp on iOS. It’s a full CMS. Comes under the Reader app category. This is an intern gone rogue in the case of Hey. Btw, Basecamp is by the same guy.
It’s up to Apple what they want to add as a category to the reader exception. For example, they except VoIP services.
I agree that Apple should be consistent however. Unless it falls into an exception category, it shouldn’t be classified as a reader app.
Either Apple is excepting apps like BaseCamp or it’s not. Sounds like an intern gone rogue may have approved basecamp by mistake. How does Apple treat basecamp’s competitors?
Thankfully, we don’t even need to ask the question at the end because we can look directly at how Apple treats Hey’s competitors:It’s up to Apple what they want to add as a category to the reader exception. For example, they except VoIP services.
I agree that Apple should be consistent however. Unless it falls into an exception category, it shouldn’t be classified as a reader app.
Either Apple is excepting apps like BaseCamp or it’s not. Sounds like an intern gone rogue may have approved basecamp by mistake. How does Apple treat basecamp’s competitors?
How many times are you going to edit your post because someone gives you a thumbs down? Hilarious.
Really? How would u like zero revenue instead of $70 million?
Traditionally, distributors charged 50+% of retail price to get you into a store. Some just don’t understand how good a deal 30% is.
I can understand wanting to pay less though, everyone always wants to pay less.
Good luck explaining that to the EU. Apple will be instbanned from EU for life.
App violates section 3.1.1, and does not fall into the exceptions listed in 3.1.3(a).<snip>
He shouldn’t have to. As per Apple rules, he should be paying 0.
Really? How would u like zero revenue instead of $70 million?
Traditionally, distributors charged 50+% of retail price to get you into a store. Some just don’t understand how good a deal 30% is.
I can understand wanting to pay less though, everyone always wants to pay less.
Good luck explaining that to the EU. Apple will be instbanned from EU for life.
Nobody can dictate what Apple charges. EU can ensure they open up side loading. They can’t legally stop them from charging 30%. But they can allow apps to circumvent it to give Apple 0%. That is it.
I don't care about how much money Apple takes, i care about the fact they have the only store and they decide to not put an app on it because it might do competition to one of their app or it might with an app that they might want to write eventually or for any other reasons for that matter.
It’s not really “unlocking” if you’re signing in to access features you’ve already paid for, though. This is how the policy has been interpreted pretty consistently through the years, both from “giants” and smaller companies, even startups.
Hey is developed by a small business and is relatively unknown. It is more difficult to boss around bigger players like Netflix or Spotify.
yeah when your argument boils down to analogies pulled out of the same hole that apple pulled the app store terms... you don't have much of an argument.If I see someone speed by a state trooper and not get pulled over, I don't then go out the next day and speed by him and then complain when I get pulled over. The issue is not the terms, which are quite clear, but that Apple is supposedly not enforcing them consistently. That point I do very much see and agree is problematic, but that does NOT excuse any developer from purposely violating the terms themselves. Not sure why people can't see this important distinction.
You’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. Physical goods are allowed to be sold without any revenue sharing with Apple.No. And that’s again an issue that the EU Anti Trust people will raise.
Where are they telling to sign up outside?Huh? The whole point is that they're telling people to sign up for the service outside the app. They haven't paid for anything yet if they're reading that message.
You’ve got no idea what you’re talking about. Physical goods are allowed to be sold without any revenue sharing with Apple.
Personally, I’d rather trust Apple with Security of my credit card than a startup company. They already have my credit card details, so why give an extra opportunity to a company with no track record.
Except the whole thing where, like, they’re not. Are you even paying attention to any of this? That’s long been against the rules; basically every developer knows where the line in the sand is on that. That would certainly include this guy, who is CTO of Basecamp, which does this exact sign-in-only thing with their app.Huh? The whole point is that they're telling people to sign up for the service outside the app. They haven't paid for anything yet if they're reading that message.