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Agreed. I avoid Maps like the plague. It never fails to route me through Toll roads, which is highly annoying!

On iOS, yes it does. On Android, it will ask if you want to avoid toll roads on your route and will adjust based on your input.
 
I have been looking for a compass app - what is that one shown in the second, behind, iPhone, in the post photo? Me likey :)
That's the stock compass application that has come with the iPhone since the 3GS. If you want a compass application for anything older than that the application will be next to useless considering there's no hardware compass in neither the 3G or original iPhone.
 
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What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

I think Google maps are decent. Although I would be willing to take Apple's maps for a spin.
 
MapQuest is the best iPhone map app.

Turn by turn AND SPEECH.

WAY better than anything else...and it's free

Thanks for sharing this! I downloaded it today for a trip from NJ to CT and have to say that it did quite a nice job. It even has one of the features I asked for: it can create routes to avoid toll roads.

I've made this trip probably 10 times over the last year and a half and, without a doubt, the Mapquest route saved me at least 30 minutes.

For turn-by-turn, I'll be using MQ from here on out.
 
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I wished I could toggle off using toll roads for routes. California has so many toll roads and the routing is frequently useless to me when it says to hop onto a toll road.
 
IMO Apple should remove YouTube and Maps from iOS and allow Google to release their own Apps.

They could do a much better job.

IMO, allowing Google to release their own Apps is the worst possible thing Appel could do. Apple and Google are competitors. Every software company treats competing platforms third-class treatment. Microsoft gives Apple second-class treatment. Office for Mac has improved only recently but Office for Windows has always been fantastic. Apple treats every other platform like fourth-class citizen. None of Apple's software is available for Windows except iTunes. It's the nature of the business.

YouTube is such an important part of what users do with their smartphones. Depending on Google to provide that functionality will put Apple in a vulnerable position. There is nothing to stop Google from treating iOS users second-class treatment in an attempt to undermine Apple.
 
I will be overjoyed if Apple's rumoured maps never happen and iOS sticks with Google, and hopefully improves (along with all the other stock apps) to be a bit less embarrassingly old.

Why do you want Apple to stick with Google so badly. Apple and Google are competitors. By using Google's services, Apple is not only lining Google's pockets with money, but it's also giving Google a chance to data-mine information off iOS to earn more advertising revenue.

Google is not going to bring turn-by-turn functionality to the iPhone. Take it to the bank. Turn-by-turn functionality is a competitive advantage for Android. Apple already has no choice but to develop it itself if Apple wants it natively on the iPhone like it is for Android. If Apple will have to implement that functionality among others on its own, why not dump Google's services completely. Why let Google earn revenue off of iOS?
 
What's wrong with Google Maps? I think it's perfect, I just wish it had Turn By Turn GPS.

There's nothing wrong with Google maps, it's just Apples superiority complex that prevents them from admitting that Google makes some great products just as Apple does. These are two good companies that do not need to waste time fighting.
 
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I wished I could toggle off using toll roads for routes. California has so many toll roads and the routing is frequently useless to me when it says to hop onto a toll road.

Check out the Mapquest app, it has an option to avoid toll roads.
 
IMO, allowing Google to release their own Apps is the worst possible thing Appel could do. Apple and Google are competitors. Every software company treats competing platforms third-class treatment. Microsoft gives Apple second-class treatment. Office for Mac has improved only recently but Office for Windows has always been fantastic. Apple treats every other platform like fourth-class citizen. None of Apple's software is available for Windows except iTunes. It's the nature of the business.

Except for the fact that Google could likely find a way to port their Android app en masse to the iOS platform... identical functionality. As you said, Google is incentivized to make the iOS app great because of the revenue stream it could represent... remember we are talking about a 3rd party app here, not the native app.

As others have repeatedly pointed out on here:

The native app is NOT a Google app, it's an Apple-made app which simply uses Google's map database.

If Google can do it better and profit from doing so, I say so be it, at least before Socialism takes it's final hold here in the U.S.S.A. :eek:
 
Why do you want Apple to stick with Google so badly. Apple and Google are competitors. By using Google's services, Apple is not only lining Google's pockets with money, but it's also giving Google a chance to data-mine information off iOS to earn more advertising revenue.

NIH syndrome is bad. It forces the vendor to dedicate ressources to something he wouldn't have to otherwise. In this case, for Apple to get mapping data, host it, update it, and add features to its API for app developers to catch up to years of Google Maps would take tremendous amounts of work.

To gain... what exactly ? Apple and Samsung are competitors, yet Apple buys Samsung parts. Apple and Sony are competitors, yet Apple buys Sony parts. Apple and Toshiba are competitors, yet Apple buys Toshiba parts...

Same in the software world. While Google and Apple might compete on a few things, Apple buys Google services.

Google is not going to bring turn-by-turn functionality to the iPhone. Take it to the bank. Turn-by-turn functionality is a competitive advantage for Android. Apple already has no choice but to develop it itself if Apple wants it natively on the iPhone like it is for Android. If Apple will have to implement that functionality among others on its own, why not dump Google's services completely. Why let Google earn revenue off of iOS?

You do understand that Apple is responsible for the Maps app on iOS already ? No matter where the data comes from, ultimately, it is Apple that is letting the app rot away and be as useless as possible compared to competitors. Google has nothing to do with this.

If Apple wants to get turn-by-turn, Google doesn't have anything to say about it, since they only provide map data, not the app itself. Google is not going to bring functionality to the iPhone, because that's not what Apple is paying Google for.

Again, for a few posters missing the picture entirely here : Google is not responsible for the utter mess that is the iOS Maps app.
 
As many have said, the Android version of Google Maps is FAR better than the the iOS one. Turn by turn, the ability to avoid freeways and toll roads, traffic re-routing, etc. Apple, please do what you can to get this app updated!
 
Disappointed. Google navigation is the one thing I constantly miss from my Droid phone. It was flawless.....absolutely awesome and better than any standalone GPS. I'm REALLY hoping apple has something ready to compete sooner rather than later.

Been using WAZE for turn by turn, which is ok. Pretty decent for free. The GPS constantly goes in and out though....not sure if its the iPhone 4 hardware or the app itself.

Fix this, and notifications, and the iPhone is perfect.
 
Why do you want Apple to stick with Google so badly.

Because as I explained in my post, Apple cannot possibly deliver a superior set of map data to Google, or even come close. Because Google owns the best database of business locations in the world by virtue of their search engine been so vital to the world economy - so even the most Luddite business keeps their Google listing up to date.

Unless Apple build a search engine and beat Google there, they cannot win mapping. Period.

Apple and Google are competitors. By using Google's services, Apple is not only lining Google's pockets with money, but it's also giving Google a chance to data-mine information off iOS to earn more advertising revenue.

I really don't care. I just want my phone to be awesome, no matter who makes it. I don't owe either multinational company anything, just as they would happily dump me as a customer if more profit lied elsewhere.

Google's data here is better, so I want that. That's really all that matters.

Google is not going to bring turn-by-turn functionality to the iPhone. Take it to the bank. Turn-by-turn functionality is a competitive advantage for Android. Apple already has no choice but to develop it itself if Apple wants it natively on the iPhone like it is for Android. If Apple will have to implement that functionality among others on its own, why not dump Google's services completely. Why let Google earn revenue off of iOS?

Google doesn't make any money off Android. It's a loss leader. The point of it is to ensure Apple isn't in a position to shut them out of their revenue source, which is mobile advertising. With that in mind, Google has abundant incentive to make the iPhone app better, as they want their services to be used on all platforms as much as possible.

The existing poor app is made by Apple, not Google. Google are, as I've been told by people there, rather embarrassed by it and all the criticism it gets - much the same as the YouTube app, which is why they made a better iOS webapp for that, and I suspect they will do the same for iOS. But given HtML5 implentation in mobile Safari is fairly poor, it won't be great. All the more reason to hope Apple code a better Google Maps app, which is best for everyone.
 
Apple may want to come away from using Google's service but I'm happy with it, I honestly don't care for a change.

I doubt very much Apple will have their own street view option etc any time soon so I'd prefer to stick to google maps.
 
I will be overjoyed if Apple's rumoured maps never happen and iOS sticks with Google, and hopefully improves (along with all the other stock apps) to be a bit less embarrassingly old.

That's up to Apple though, they are the ones writing the Maps app. Moving Maps data source from Google to themselves would not improve the App at all, I'd bet quite the contrary as Apple would have to dedicate ressources to the back-end data. The problem isn't Google's map data, it's Apple's front-end for them.

Apple should stick to what they know, fix the Maps app, don't waste time with the back-end stuff, reinventing the wheel and just proving you suffer from NIH syndrome.
 
They're not just maps. Google has an unparalleled database of business locations to put on those maps and the streetview images. Nobody else has those, and Apple can't ever replace them because the main source for them is by owning the biggest search engine in the world means companies are eager to submit details to you that they would never be so keen on for a smaller service.

I will be overjoyed if Apple's rumoured maps never happen and iOS sticks with Google, and hopefully improves (along with all the other stock apps) to be a bit less embarrassingly old.

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I don't know how it is in the UK but google maps "database" is HORRIBLE in the states, especially in big cities. If you work in an industry for which you need to travel a lot, you know by now it's so often incorrect that people have just flat out stopped using it. I know people that have been so late running errands or finding someone to meet because of google maps' inaccuracies that they've been fired. We shouldn't have to go to every business's own web site to find directions then enter them in a navigation app, but that's the only way to make sure that you're not going to be 5 minutes, or an hour away.
 
What's wrong with Google maps? In my opinion Google does a great job with maps.

I don't know how it is in the UK but google maps "database" is HORRIBLE in the states, especially in big cities. If you work in an industry for which you need to travel a lot, you know by now it's so often incorrect that people have just flat out stopped using it. I know people that have been so late running errands or finding someone to meet because of google maps' inaccuracies that they've been fired. We shouldn't have to go to every business's own web site to find directions then enter them in a navigation app, but that's the only way to make sure that you're not going to be 5 minutes, or an hour away.

are you talking about getting the physical address from their web sight and then entering that into Google?

if that is your argument I would call it weak at best. The only sure fire way to make sure you are going to be right (no matter what the data base) is to use the physical addresses.
I know that points of interested databases (no matter what service) are often times iffy at best. They quite often have outdate or incorrect data in them so when you do the search guess what that incorrect data gets in there. First rule to follow on anything is if something looks off chances are it is off. Do not trust just want it tells you verifiy it. I know I have done searches for stuff on google maps by name but often times I have a rough idea were it is on the map and use that to make sure it is correct. Google is generally pretty good at giving me direction providing you have the correct locations.

Remember Garbage in - Garbage out.
 
I don't know how it is in the UK but google maps "database" is HORRIBLE in the states, especially in big cities. If you work in an industry for which you need to travel a lot, you know by now it's so often incorrect that people have just flat out stopped using it. I know people that have been so late running errands or finding someone to meet because of google maps' inaccuracies that they've been fired. We shouldn't have to go to every business's own web site to find directions then enter them in a navigation app, but that's the only way to make sure that you're not going to be 5 minutes, or an hour away.

Google is rarely pointing the wrong street (I've never had it point to the wrong street). If Google maps being off by a corner or two for door addresses makes you over an hour late, you fail. You're there on the street, how hard is it to look out your car window and check the addresses on the doors to find where you're going ?

And Google is not responsible for the errors in locations of street addresses. They get that data from a national service. The same Apple would use if they made their own maps.
 
Google Maps are just awesome.

Don't know why Apple would want to get rid of them?

If they have something better in-house, then sure. But otherwise just use it until you can provide a better service on your own.

But one thing; Google for sure love their location data. They will be pissed if Apple drops Google Maps and/or instead uses Bing maps on iOS. I don't see that happening though.
 
Because as I explained in my post, Apple cannot possibly deliver a superior set of map data to Google, or even come close. Because Google owns the best database of business locations in the world by virtue of their search engine been so vital to the world economy - so even the most Luddite business keeps their Google listing up to date.

Unless Apple build a search engine and beat Google there, they cannot win mapping. Period.

This is why Apple bought out Placebase and Poly9, two mapping companies. Placebase was a competitor to Google Maps. As a result, Apple has a database.

I really don't care. I just want my phone to be awesome, no matter who makes it. I don't owe either multinational company anything, just as they would happily dump me as a customer if more profit lied elsewhere.

Google's data here is better, so I want that. That's really all that matters.

I know you don't care and I agree that you don't owe either company anything. But the fact is that Apple is the one making the phone and it matters to them.

Google doesn't make any money off Android. It's a loss leader. The point of it is to ensure Apple isn't in a position to shut them out of their revenue source, which is mobile advertising. With that in mind, Google has abundant incentive to make the iPhone app better, as they want their services to be used on all platforms as much as possible.

Google "makes" money off of Android but not in the same way that Apple makes money off of iOS. Google makes money off of Android by pushing ads to users and driving them to Google search. That's how Google has always made its money.

Apple and Google are competitors. For that alone, Apple wants to get away from using Google's services as much as possible. Apple likely has no choice with YouTube. But Apple has a choice with Maps. What is wrong with Apple not wanting to help a competitor make money off of its platform? If Apple can do a good job with its own implementation of maps, I think Apple should do it.
 
Google Maps are just awesome.

Don't know why Apple would want to get rid of them?

Because Apple and Google are competitors. Why would Apple want to use a competitor's services?

If they have something better in-house, then sure. But otherwise just use it until you can provide a better service on your own.

You've nailed the issue on its head. If Apple wants to maintain its user base and continue to profit from iOS, Apple will have to have a better solution than Google.

But one thing; Google for sure love their location data. They will be pissed if Apple drops Google Maps and/or instead uses Bing maps on iOS. I don't see that happening though.

Oh, yes they will be pissed. But as I've said, Apple and Google are competitors. Why would Apple want to be beholden to Google?
 
Because Apple and Google are competitors. Why would Apple want to use a competitor's services?



You've nailed the issue on its head. If Apple wants to maintain its user base and continue to profit from iOS, Apple will have to have a better solution than Google.



Oh, yes they will be pissed. But as I've said, Apple and Google are competitors. Why would Apple want to be beholden to Google?

You know, that's where I am lost.

Even if you are in strict competition with your competitors, you don't ******* with your customers just to rival out with somebody else.
The customers have to be the first priority.

For Apple, I guess thats true for the most part; so unless and until they have a better solution than Google Maps, they are not gonna get rid of them. Simple.
 
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