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On top of general jankiness, I genuinely believe that iPadOS stage manager needs more time in the oven in terms of concept and user interface. It is not anywhere near as intuitive as on macOS Ventura, due to the Macs established windowing controls being much easier to understand conceptually.
I think that’s when a user goes wrong… trying to compare Stage Manager on an iPad to macOS Ventura. Don’t get me wrong... I agree with you that Stage Manager needs a lot of work for the iPad.

But compared to the 1st beta, it has improved tremendously since then. And as you mention… Mac has had established windowing management for decades. I think Stage Manager on the iPad is different because of how it’s designed, but it’s not as horrible... the responsiveness of resizing windows needs attention.
 
They didn't delay it. They said Fall and it is coming in the Fall.

Alright, if you're gonna nitpick; most major iPadOS releases coincide with iOS releases of the same version number. There've only been a few years where this didn't happen. Relative to THAT common occurance, yes, that's a delay. And technically if they had an internal target of September and are pushing that back, that is, again technically, a delay.


You are forgetting that the DTK had 16 GB of RAM. More than the pre-M1 iPad had.

While true, even the A12X (2018; First Gen 11" and Third Gen 12.9") and A12Z (2020; Second Gen 11" and Fourth Gen 12.9") iPad Pros still handily outperformed Macs that are going to receive Stage Manager. If an M1 is required, then it's still over-engineered.
 
I have loved my 2018 Pro 12.9 very much since I bought it. I feel like it has a lot of life left in it, so I won’t be tablet shopping for a while.

But when I do, I’ll be shopping for a Samsung or something.

This horrible idiocy of hiding new things and features (in this case , the best new feature) behind the excuse of “it needs our chip” as the reason to make a 4 year tablet obsolete is making me question why I have so much Apple stuff. F them. I hate them for this.
Looking forward to seeing you back here in about a month after you buy a Samsung or something praising your new iPad. 😆
 
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There are two reasons why windows move around and resize the way they do on the iPad while you have free form resizing and positioning on the Mac. iPad apps don’t support free form resizing at all, so Apple has to limit how they size or else everything will look as awful as Instagram does. You’ll notice that the proportions are those of Split View. Apps that support Split View will work just fine in Stage Manager. Those that don’t are going to have problems.

The iPad also does not have a precise pointer like a mouse. You’ll remember that the cursor simulates a finger, not a mouse, even if you have a mouse attached. Just imagine if you get in a position where your app is hidden by another with just a tiny sliver showing. You’ll have a really tough time getting out from behind the app without moving the other app first. So Apple moves apps around so enough is sticking out to make it easy for a finger cursor to move it.

I couldn't agree with you more. Stage manager's current implementation, opening new windows in a new app group (or stage) and placing existing windows off to the side is jarring and frankly dumb. Just do what Linux, Windows, and macOS currently do: open a new window on top of the existing one and be done with it. I don't understand how Apple really believes this stage manager experience actually enhances task management. It's like somebody dreamt up of an alpha release window manager, and Apple felt it ready to unleash on to us, the paying public.

macOS's Window Server already works fine, so why not just use it as inspiration for iPadOS? Even if on iPadOS, windows snap into pre-determined positions on screen, and pre-determined sizes/aspect ratios.

Also, iPadOS should really add the traffic lights just like on macOS (for window management features such as close, minimize, full screen, move window to another display).

Finally, iPadOS and macOS should implement a feature similar to Rectangle or Mosaic on macOS or Windows 11's default implementation, and allow the user to Snap windows into pre-determined shapes/regions. I can't believe Apple hasn't done this... the MacBook Pro 14"/16" are hallmarks of innovation, same with the original M1... It would be great to see that same innovation and "wow" moment come to the Window Manager.
I get the overlapping and control for touch on the iPad itself (especially on my cramped iPad Pro 11) but it is insane on the external display where the real purpose is MEANINGFUL multitasking. If the overlap only leaves a sliver, there’s always CMD-Tab to bring the window to the front and then place it, but stop resizing and re-snapping my windows as I set up my desktop MY WAY. When I’m needing two Word docs and a spreadsheet open on the external monitor, let me do it as best for me, not best for a theoretical group of users.

I’m not the only one who feels this way - I see scores of beta testers asking for MacOS window management when on an external display. This can’t be that hard Apple - or are you afraid the iPad Pro will become the modern MacBook 12 many users crave instead of the MacBook Air?
 
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We have been asking for iPad to be a stand-alone device for awhile now. In typical Apple fashion, they are doing it in deliberate, staged process: first announcing the separate iPadOS in 2019 and now decoupling iPadOS release timing from iOS (iPhone) in 2022.

The shift probably has much more to do with Apple's marketing schedule and less to do with Stage Manager
  1. Announce new iPad Pro that feature Stage Manager and whatever other new capabilities the new SoC and hardware support
  2. Release iPadOS 16
  3. Release new iPad Pro
The fact that more and more of Apple's operating systems sharing code probably also contributes to this. IIRC, Apple have said that the new Stage Manager feature is the same across macOS and iPadOS.
 
Alright, if you're gonna nitpick; most major iPadOS releases coincide with iOS releases of the same version number. There've only been a few years where this didn't happen. Relative to THAT common occurance, yes, that's a delay. And technically if they had an internal target of September and are pushing that back, that is, again technically, a delay.

It’s only a delay based on your assumption that they were going to release it the same time as iOS 16 this year.

Apple never stated when in Fall this year. They could have always intended that this year was the next stage of iPadOS being more independent of iOS. We had iPadOS as the first step the other year. This being the next.

It’s only factually correct to say it’s delayed if Apple said it was meant to be out in September originally. If you can provide evidence Apple were releasing it in September this year, please provide sourcing for it. :)

What’s happened is that someone has heard Apple intend to release it in October & clickbait headline was formed, to get someone an income by generating interest and grabbing the attention of people that like to complain….
 
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I have been using the Betas since day one on my M1 Pro, they all have been nothing but good. Maybe there have been issues with the older iPads.
I have been using the beta on my 10.5 inch iPad Pro for about a week now with no issues, except the aftermarket keyboard still acting stupid like it did with iPadOS 15
 
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They need extra development time to jury rig an alternative to store manager because, unfortunately, non-m1 iPads are not strong enough to run store manager
 
I miss the days apple knew what we wanted and we got used to it for the beta now the iPadOS team have no clue what there doing and the feedback isn’t good and they change plan
They still do, but here is the thing Apple only exists for us in so far as we help them reach their ultimate goal ( which is the same as any other businesses) maximising their investors roi
 
Anyone saying that iPadOS on M1 iPad pro is working perfectly is clearly not testing very well. Its extremely buggy.

- regular springboard crashes
- issues with various docks for 2nd monitor
- apps not staying on the correct display

These few issues plague me on a daily basis and there are plenty of other issues as well. I think it’s a very good choice delaying the release until they can get it spot on!
Or maybe the people testing iPadOS, tests it in the main application ie the ipad used as a standalone device, so 2 of your 3 points above won't really impact that many users. It should work correctly tho. I must admit to not paying enough attention to this stiff, is the " use the iPad as an extra disply" feature reqiering both devices to have M1 chips or not?
 
Could we get MULTIPLE USER LOGINS? Like for families and maybe education?
I think this is a lost cause , for one thing the iPad has all ways been sold as a personal device ( much more so than laptops that were initially sold as portable replacements for desktops). There is also the fact that tablets, at least those sold by apple, I'm uncertain about the myriad android tablets, has to my knowledge never had multi user capability. A lot of people all so see tablets as a separate category of device and not as a computer in a new form factor, so to a lot of the target market there is no expectation of a "computer" feature like user accounts on a tablet. And finally we Kobe to the issue of on device storage , how would you expect multiple users to share at most 256GB without conflicts erupting when someone goblets op significant amounts with the Kate's Mobil gaming pos gobbling up multiple GB etc. Well you could ofc Ann ad admin account that gives the other users storage quotas and other privilege limitations, but we are talking about Jo and Jane average here not IT admins, I have a feeling that this might be to complex for many and just be left unused.

TLDR.
Multiple user accounts in iPadOS will robably end up little used and hence it's a feature not lightly to receive priority at apple, oh and I almost forgot, it might end up hurting iPad sales, as it would, for the ones pothering yo use it at all, make sharing iPads easier. My point: tho I see the utility of such a feature I would advise you against holding your breath waiting for it
 
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I think this is a lost cause , for one thing the iPad has all ways been sold as a personal device ( much more so than laptops that were initially sold as portable replacements for desktops). There is also the fact that tablets, at least those sold by apple, I'm uncertain about the myriad android tablets, has to my knowledge never had multi user capability. A lot of people all so see tablets as a separate category of device and not as a computer in a new form factor, so to a lot of the target market there is no expectation of a "computer" feature like user accounts on a tablet. And finally we Kobe to the issue of on device storage , how would you expect multiple users to share at most 256GB without conflicts erupting when someone goblets op significant amounts with the Kate's Mobil gaming pos gobbling up multiple GB etc. Well you could ofc Ann ad admin account that gives the other users storage quotas and other privilege limitations, but we are talking about Jo and Jane average here not IT admins, I have a feeling that this might be to complex for many and just be left unused.

TLDR.
Multiple user accounts in iPadOS will robably end up little used and hence it's a feature not lightly to receive priority at apple, oh and I almost forgot, it might end up hurting iPad sales, as it would, for the ones pothering yo use it at all, make sharing iPads easier. My point: tho I see the utility of such a feature I would advise you against holding your breath waiting for it
I agree, in that Apple likely won't do it. I see the us case for it, and it would be good for the option for those that want it, but it's not something I need myself.
 
Anyone saying that iPadOS on M1 iPad pro is working perfectly is clearly not testing very well. Its extremely buggy.

- regular springboard crashes
- issues with various docks for 2nd monitor
- apps not staying on the correct display

These few issues plague me on a daily basis and there are plenty of other issues as well. I think it’s a very good choice delaying the release until they can get it spot on!
Not seeing springboard crashes. It's working for me pretty damn well. The only issues I have are Stage Manager with External display, but apart from that, no issues cropping up for me.

Your dismissive comment about people not testing if very well is rude, as it's on the assumption that everyone should have the same issues as you. What happens for you is not the same for everyone, or even a majority necessarily. I'm not saying your issues don't exist, just that not everyone is experiencing them.
 
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