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Apple to Halt Mac Pro Sales in Europe Effective March 1 Over Regulatory Requirements
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Haswell happens in June.
Integrating Thunderbolt on computers with interchangeable graphic cards requires so far a rather clumsy solution. Reportedly, Haswell will make that easier.
It's also possible that intel's launch will be like Westmere where it doesn't fully replace Sandy offerings. I figured a late Sandy Bridge would be likely, at which point Ivy would be less time sensitive and less reliant on intel's shipping schedule for Ivy. Apple shipped late in 2010 as well. I wouldn't expect to see anything announced on one of intel's official launch dates.
With a bit of luck, and a fair wind, the UK at least might avoid this disaster if we pull out of the EU. The Tories should add this to their manifesto.
Being eternally optimistic, this could pave the way for that most elusive of Macs, the XMac.
Cheers,
Ray
Being eternally optimistic, this could pave the way for that most elusive of Macs, the XMac.
Cheers,
Ray
Yes, but that would mean June would be the earliest we'd see an update, not that there's an update coming by June. If that's what Apple is waiting for, it still might take them months longer to actually ship.
My business will be comatose soon if we don't get a new Mac Pro.
Some of us have businesses that are completely centered on our Mac Pros, and not having a new one is starting to hold us back.
It is rather small "some". OS X 10.8.3 is coming with new graphics driver updates for newer AMD GPUs. A reasonable fraction of current folks would be uncorked for a bit longer if updated to faster GPUs and faster storage (e.g., PCI-e connected flash. )
There is a very small subset that are primarily, almost solely, hamstrung on either x86 core count , clockspeed, and/or top end RAM capacity.
A far bigger segment of that "some" are those that just want something new because they are on a refresh cycle and it is time. It is bad timing for them. The numbers of people who land in that window over the now +/- 6 months timeframe though aren't a long term market driving force.
As you point out in another post Apple as over $100B in cash cushion. They don't have to panic if run they into a short term bump in the road. Frankly neither would the vast majority of that "some" either if their cash reserve to revenue ratio was in similar shape.
While I am not defending the EU Health and Safety legislation - It can be a little over protective at times, I do smile a little when I see our friends across the pond making fun of it, when their own legal system allows individuals to successfully sue people and companies for thinks like not putting warnings on cups of coffee that the contents may be hot (Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants). It's stuff like that that scares american companies to take preventative measures in case they get sued, I know because I used to work for one.
With a bit of luck, and a fair wind, the UK at least might avoid this disaster if we pull out of the EU. The Tories should add this to their manifesto.
Being eternally optimistic, this could pave the way for that most elusive of Macs, the XMac.
Cheers,
Ray
Good sarcasm that.
Yeah, because Apple is too poor a company to change the fan setup in the Mac Pro and so they will simply discontinue it until the new model comes out...IF it comes out, rather.
And you can't tell me that they didn't know this regulation was coming and couldn't bother to put it in the update last year. The problem is that Apple doesn't WANT to bother with a product it couldn't care less about anymore. When the CEO says he rarely touches a Mac anymore and uses his iPad all day long for the most part, you KNOW the computer lines are going to continue to suffer at the hands of what are little more than smart phones run amok. Sadly, this is the state of Apple. It's why you can't get a serious "Pro" model that is actually "Pro" and it's why you can't play a darn game made in 2012 properly even (CRAP GPUs). But hey, you can get Angry Birds so that's all that matters, right?
Unlike my older G5 which was never designed to run without the internal clear plastic air flow guard in place.
Seems like suck a silly EU rule and OMG they have a lot of them. I remember reading that a JAG tested on Top Gear a few years back needed a tinny boot lid spoiler to raise the height of the rear center brake light. No problem but the down side was this pushed the back of the car down at high speed, lifting the front and making it unstable.
The EU is a law unto it's self with some of the crazy regulations it has imposed.
Seriously if you're dumb enough to a) take the side off your running Mac Pro then b) stick your fingers into the spinning fan then you don't deserve a Mac Pro!
Unless Apple is contempting switching Xeon E3 ( and their associated 4 x86 core cap and 20 PCI-e lane limitations) then there are no "June" offerings.
Haswell Xeon E5 (-EP suffixed ) class offerings aren't going to arrive before June 2014 let alone June 2013.
But then again it isn't even required. In the current Mac Pro if you have two interchangable graphics cards they aren't "integrated" (SLI/Crossfire) either. That hasn't dramatically impeded the Mac Pro. There is zero reason that needs to change with Thunderbolt's embedded GPU in a Mac Pro redesign. The iMac has zero problems weaving its discrete GPU into Thunderbolt. Neither would a Mac Pro.
Since you don't even have the likely correct Intel product highlighted, that is unlikely.
If Haswell (or Broadwell ) Xeon E5 1600s got Intel iGPUs that would make it easier. Nothing so far indicates they are going to make that kind of move.
Sports analogies
They've been fumbling the MacPro for about two years now. When the hardware is so out of date you can't even legally sell it in parts of the world that count as dropping.
I still like my analogy.
They've been fumbling the MacPro for about two years now. When the hardware is so out of date you can't even legally sell it in parts of the world that count as dropping.
I still like my analogy.
Welcome to the EUSSR, crippling bureaucracy and mountains of money to keep a certain elite of unelected officials and a kangaroo parliament happy while those down bellow suffer. Just like it was in the soviet union or in any other collectivist regime.
But ho well, the mac pro in it's current incarnation is trash anyways.
But ho well, the mac pro in it's current incarnation is trash anyways.
Boy I'm sure glad we're going the way of Europe in terms of gov't intervention in our lives here in the US. Those Mac Pro fans are freaking DEADLY and it's a miracle thousands haven't been maimed and killed by them.
THANK YOU Europe for showing us the way to live, I don't know HOW we all have survived this long without our benevolent politicians and gov't bureaucrats watching out for our safety!!!!!!
THANK YOU Europe for showing us the way to live, I don't know HOW we all have survived this long without our benevolent politicians and gov't bureaucrats watching out for our safety!!!!!!
Yeah, because Apple is too poor a company to change the fan setup in the Mac Pro and so they will simply discontinue it until the new model comes out...IF it comes out, rather.
They probably sell a few hundred units a month, maybe low 4 figure. Not worth it at all if they are updating this year anyway.
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As pointed out earlier in the thread, a lot of stupid European laws are influenced by the US system too. Just the way of power and government interference.
It depends on what your programming for.
I know some that just programme for consumer apps, they are fine with a low end iMac or MBP.
I know plenty of programmers that require machines that need features like ECC memory, simulations for example can takes days to run and one error could ruin the final outcome. Also the same for mission critical or where life is involved.
iMac and MBP machines also have mathematical errors, they are there and are not noticeable to the average user, but sometimes they do show up. The Xeon line are extensively bug tested, whereas consumer lines are not. The Pentium FDIV bug and F00F bug are widely known bugs. It's these people, small in number I know, is what people like. Workstation grade hardware, with a UNIX certified OS that is good to use, it earns Apple a lot to respect to many.
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If they have something new awaiting release then why would they bother to retrofit the old one? It would make no sense.
Unlikely. Everything since Westmere indicates that was a marketing/strategy glitch on Intel's part. In launching and getting the Xeon E3 off the ground they thought they didn't need (or was too expense to fund) a complete Xeon E3600 (now Xeon E5 1600 ) like parts anymore and that's now clearly flawed thinking.
There is a chance but far more likely that a relatively compete E5 1600 line up parts will be part of the extended delay. This is now likely stale and old (given the Haswell slide into June and hence likely push back on these).
http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/17/intel-roadmap-reveals-10-core-xeon-e5-2600-v2-cpu/
but the 1600 rollout was already planned to be staggered back. If the whole chart slides then a Ivy Bridge committed Mac Pro will slide backwards too.
It wold be far better for the Mac Pro to do a Jan-March 2013 Sandy Bridge followed by a Jan-March 2014 Ivy Bridge followed by a Jan-March 2015 Haswell than trying to goose Intel's schedule. The Xeon E5 updates are not on a 12 month cycle. Intel has them on something more like a 16-20 month update cycle. Apple needs to find their own recync that makes sense.
Right now the second half of the year is already packed since the iMac/mini and most laptops have already slid to that half given Intel's mainstream CPU package yearly cycle movements.
One of the major problems right now is release dependability. Fix that and will largely uncork the vast majority of the moaning and groaning. That can only be done over time.
Again the incomplete line up was a primary driver there. Apple probably also saw the extended delay for Sandy Bridge at that time also ( "hurry up with no replacement the following year makes no sense." ) There were no 3600 series to pragmatically go to. Intel only offered one entry for a whole 3600 series. In order to do "good , better , best" they stagnated on the 3500's.
No, because different countries have different regulations. A new Mac Pro is already in the works.