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Apple to Introduce Third MacBook Line with Retina Display at WWDC?
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This. Part of Apple's original key philosophy was to keep a small product line. They must be careful with this, now rumored to launch a TV, an iPad mini, a camera and a new line of laptops. I know these are rumors, but still.
It is kind of amusing to see here the majority using the two phrases...I want/I like, or Apple should. It is somewhat in line with Steve's infamous arrogance. All together now...Yet, so close to the circus and still no firm leaks. LOL.
To display 1900x1200 with HiDPI mode turned on you would need the native screen resolution to be 3800x2400, I don't see that happening.
HiDPI is not on machines right now. Yes the feature is built-into Lion and ML, but by default it is turned off. You could turn it on if you have a screen capable of it, as for example happens for people who buy AirDisplay and use their iPads as second screens.
HiDPI is Apple's solution to "Resolution Independence". As long as things are a even multiple they are independent.
Right.
Exactly.
Right.
No, if you turn off HiDPI you still need to pick a resolution. If you picked 640x480 your 12pt Font would be huge. If, on a 15" machine, you picked something like 1900x1200, or even worse, 2880x1800, then yes the 12 pt Font will be tiny. Turning HiDPI on or off doesn't automatically do anything.
Perhaps but that's not what I am addressing.
You popped out the 1900x1200 number. I was not trying to vet the number. Just making the point that the smaller number of any two being talking about with HiDPI on/off would be when HiDPI was turned on.
Yes a far as feasiblity goes. With HiDPI on a 1440 by 900 display is far more tractable if you believe a 2880 x 1800 15" screen is affordable. Your
These non-doubled multiple "HiRes" screens that Apple has trotted out over the last 4-5 years have been the problem. The sizes of objects and fonts all change. So that if put a MBA 11" side by side with a MBP 13" or even MBA 13" , open text edit, set to 9pt font , and type a sentence you can easily see that the text is of different sizes.
It is on the machines but it is. OK.
Just about any screen is capable of going half. It is much more a question if half is going to be "enough" pixels to get something useful done.
If think driving at a point that most users aren't having problems with. I suspect Apple is going to over time go to a screen resolution list that is much shorter on some machine. [ At least if get the normal control panel. There may be an "advanced" control panel where can through display panel into some oddball resolution which are usually not but but present because some app is hardcoded to some legacy screen size. ] I've used makes for over a decade and I don't think I've ever set it to something other than the native setting.
Apple track record so far is that more resolution mean the stuff on the screen is more resolution depended. The objective of hiDPI when depoyed would be that users would get resolution independent settings. That when users select from a short list more details come out but things do not change in size. The would be normal operating mode. Essentially, you wouldn't get to pick something like 640x480 at all normally.
I can't tell if I like this idea or not, I would certainly be happier if they would just make this new model the updated MacBook Pro in 13" and 15" but keep the 17" for people who want a desktop replacement with an optical drive. It does say that this model will have standard HDD and SSD configuration which in my opinion is a step up from the MBA flash memory (considering that is hard to upgrade). But it better have expandable memory or so help me god
The "15 inch Air" may be the new 15" MBP...however, there is NOT going to be a 15" MBA AND a 15" MBP, for obvious reasons of lineup streamlining...forget about it.
If every person who would buy a 17 in the next year bought another brand instead of an Apple, Apple would neither notice, nor care. You can't get around the fact that people just are NOT buying it.
Yeah, with 200 000 units sold in 2011. Nobody buys them...
In other words. 200 000 x 2500$ = 500 000 000 $
No, Apple won't notice it.
Impossible. MBA is so thin cause it uses Ultra Low Voltage Chips. They're **expensive as hell**, and very slow compared to full chips. In addition, good luck fitting a dedicated GPU which is mandatory if you want to do anything like video editing.
Roughly the same price. 346$ ULV vs. 378$ Quad Core i7. Which means that they are not much cheaper, but much slower.
But that is precisely the point that is being disputed. A 15" with a native screen resolution of 2880x1800 could have a max HiDPI functional resolution of 1440x900, but it could operate at much higher resolutions like 1900x1200 if you turn off HiDPI, since the screen is capable of going all the way up to 2880x1800 with HiDPI turned off. What options Apple will enable with HiDPI off is unknown, but presumably they would allow at least 1680x1050 and 1900x1200 on the 15", which is a higher functional resolution than the 1440x900 you would get with HiDPI turned on.
Maybe, but I'm having a hard time seeing the relevance of this regarding what I was talking about.
Not really, on my MBP the lowest resolution I can use is 800x600 and the max is 1440x900. So I can't turn on HiDPI even though Lion and ML are capable of it. The same holds true for two iMacs and a MacBook Air that I occasionally use.
Agreed.
This guy also predicted the death of Mac pro.
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maybe in China they don't buy it but in the US stores they sell a ton of 17". I don't see Apple abandoning power users. and with the peripherals, applecare, apps , upgrades its more like a billion.
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maybe in China they don't buy it but in the US stores they sell a ton of 17". I don't see Apple abandoning power users. and with the peripherals, applecare, apps , upgrades its more like a billion.
Bzzzzzzzt!
Not happening.
One of the key product formulation strategies of Apple has been the KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid. That means a small and clear set of options for the customers, so that they wouldn't have to fall into a choosing dilemma.
The Retina Macs would have to be placed somewhere in between the Pro and the Air, and it'd have to have a bit of both... That would screw both product lines. So... not happening IMO.
Not happening.
One of the key product formulation strategies of Apple has been the KISS principle: Keep It Simple, Stupid. That means a small and clear set of options for the customers, so that they wouldn't have to fall into a choosing dilemma.
The Retina Macs would have to be placed somewhere in between the Pro and the Air, and it'd have to have a bit of both... That would screw both product lines. So... not happening IMO.
Mac Prayer
What ?
I wake up, the date says 11 June and there's still no new macs ? Apple is such a rip-off !
I need my new MacBook (which will, obviously, be called "Pro Air", abbreviated to Prayer) right now ! Where can I place an order for this with its 15" screen fit into an 11" chassis, 256GB RAM and a few tera SSD ? I hope they finally get that promised 30h battery life, otherwise it's a complete waste of time and money.
There, I had to get that off my chest
Peter.
What ?
I wake up, the date says 11 June and there's still no new macs ? Apple is such a rip-off !
I need my new MacBook (which will, obviously, be called "Pro Air", abbreviated to Prayer) right now ! Where can I place an order for this with its 15" screen fit into an 11" chassis, 256GB RAM and a few tera SSD ? I hope they finally get that promised 30h battery life, otherwise it's a complete waste of time and money.
There, I had to get that off my chest
Peter.
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Well, I use the cd drive and I wouldn't want to spend extra on an external one . I use it to play DVDs , to copy CDs onto iTunes, to save data onto CDs , I have many photos saved onto CDs , also onto external hard drive but I like to save stuff onto different places in case something goes wrong with the external hard drive.
Thinner maybe, no optical ok, but retina? Not convinced just yet.
The last developer release of Mountain Lion I tried out did not have full Hi-Dpi assets, and likewise 10.7.4 does not either.
With neither OS FULLY ready to embrace Hi-Dpi mode, why would Apple choose to do so now?
Come to think of it why would Chewbacca live on Endor with a bunch of Ewoks?
The last developer release of Mountain Lion I tried out did not have full Hi-Dpi assets, and likewise 10.7.4 does not either.
With neither OS FULLY ready to embrace Hi-Dpi mode, why would Apple choose to do so now?
Come to think of it why would Chewbacca live on Endor with a bunch of Ewoks?
I think this may be the intent as well, IF the sales of the MacBook Pro with ODD are not enough to convince Apple that ODDs are still needed. It never made any sense to me for Apple to simply drop the ODD without at least offering it as a BTO option first. There is NO market data right now available to Apple saying how many people actually use and need an ODD - just a small number of very vocal users here who don't use it and have thus been predicting it's demise, incorrectly, for a couple of years now. (The same applies to the Ethernet and Firewire ports, BTW, which I expect will be retained on the MBP, but dropped from the midrange...)
So when this guy predicted a new in-between line back in April, it became pretty obvious to me that the new line was Apple's way of finding that out. IMHO, I think the market will demonstrate that there *is* still a large need for ODDs, and it's been pretty clear that Apple needs to get off it's high horse and upgrade the superdrive to a Blu-ray as well at some point, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if they *plan* to phase them out in a year or two, but end up instead upgrading and supporting them for years to come.
Hindsight - Kuo right, most forum posters wrong
In future, I'm going to pay attention to all rumors from Kuo, who predicted a result most posters here and the MacRumors staff thought was fairly improbable. And yet we now have three lines of Macbook pro, temporarily according to Kuo. Hindsight is always 20 20, but looking at the results of predictions about WWDC it pays to separate the Digitimes from the Kuos in terms of reliability.
In future, I'm going to pay attention to all rumors from Kuo, who predicted a result most posters here and the MacRumors staff thought was fairly improbable. And yet we now have three lines of Macbook pro, temporarily according to Kuo. Hindsight is always 20 20, but looking at the results of predictions about WWDC it pays to separate the Digitimes from the Kuos in terms of reliability.
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