It's actually the screen they will use for all old people who have droopy heads...
Regardless, here's hoping that tomorrow they release an iMac refresh to cover up some of the death grip publicity of the iFailphone 4.
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Apple to Launch iOS-Enabled iMac With Touch Interface?
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It's actually the screen they will use for all old people who have droopy heads...
Regardless, here's hoping that tomorrow they release an iMac refresh to cover up some of the death grip publicity of the iFailphone 4.
an iMac with touchscreen ...hmmm where did i see that before
aah i know in the past
the iMac with touchscreen existed a long time ago
http://www.elotouch.com/Products/Discontinued/Computers/aioimac0112.asp
and never really took of because of the obvious reasons ... limited practicality , its alright for selecting a mp3 in itunes or so , but not really for much more and every day cleaning the monitor is a nuisance seen the ipad in a apple store horrible full with fingerprints, cleaning a small ipad every day is worth enough, but cleaning a 22" or bigger screen no chance , maybe for some stores or some offices ...but as a desktop at home naaaaa
if you cant handle mouse and keyboard even a touchscreen wont help you
aah i know in the past
the iMac with touchscreen existed a long time ago
http://www.elotouch.com/Products/Discontinued/Computers/aioimac0112.asp
and never really took of because of the obvious reasons ... limited practicality , its alright for selecting a mp3 in itunes or so , but not really for much more and every day cleaning the monitor is a nuisance seen the ipad in a apple store horrible full with fingerprints, cleaning a small ipad every day is worth enough, but cleaning a 22" or bigger screen no chance , maybe for some stores or some offices ...but as a desktop at home naaaaa
if you cant handle mouse and keyboard even a touchscreen wont help you
Whatever happens, it's prudent for Mac users to keep their data in a form that is platform independent, so that you can switch to other systems if Apple gets carried away with their genius tag, and stops making machines we need to get life's work done.
All my word processing files can be shipped to a Windows machine. All my email is now in IMAP format, so I am not beholden to any one software. I refuse to create data in a format that is locked into Apple, or Microsoft, or any one company. I need data portability.
So if Apple goes off the deep end, it won't make a difference to me. I'll switch away from Apple.
All my word processing files can be shipped to a Windows machine. All my email is now in IMAP format, so I am not beholden to any one software. I refuse to create data in a format that is locked into Apple, or Microsoft, or any one company. I need data portability.
So if Apple goes off the deep end, it won't make a difference to me. I'll switch away from Apple.
Maybe there's room for an X-11 pun in Apple's naming scheme say if the 1s were index fingers, indicating a unix touch interface.
And yes, I'd love a touch interface for X.7 and don't care about names. Not being able to touch the screen is bordering on frustrating nowadays. I'd still be happy for an optional keyboard (typing, key command shortcuts, I use them all the time), but moving stuff with a mouse is just inefficient now.
I can see value in tossing out legacy OS X code for 'new' iOS code and making a clean-start for the next Mac operating system, like OS X was for OS 9.
Given Apple's success getting Mac OS developers to move to native OS X, you'd have to wonder what the success rate would be moving to an entirely new touch OS. It's not that developers are slow, as much as 'the majority' of customers are even slower, so there's no incentive for developers.
However, if you sell it as a new line of products, that's a discontinuity that might be perceived as 'new growth' instead of an upgrade/backward compatibility nightmare. You know how managers and stock analysts just love 'new growth areas' and tech sites just love 'new and shiny'.
Might be another genius move by Steve Jobs to solve the age old problem of backward compatibility. Just start a new product line! I guess we'll find out in less than 60 days now (if the rumours are correct).
Can't wait.
P.S. Touch iMacs and MacBooks would have to be wedge shaped, higher at the back for better viewing angle. That stand thingy is the right idea, just think outside the box a little morethe cooling would probably run left-right, not up as iMacs run now.
It's cool...but
This is a play to get more of the millions and millions of people using iPhones and iPods and now iPads with Windoze to make the desktop switch. It's cool and should work well for that demographic if they can drop the price a bit. The big positive is that Apple has developed this technology to the point where their implementation on the desktop will be more intuitive and smooth operating than any of the Windoze solutions available.
I only wish if they did do something like this they wold incorporated pressure sensitivity as it would make it more useful for designers and open doors for other uses. I don't know whether Peratech has developed anything quite as sensitive as Wacom's technology, but they certainly seem to have developed something that could be useful for a lot of people. If QTC lives up to half of the hype the parent company should definitely be on Apple's acquisition radar.
Peratech
This is a play to get more of the millions and millions of people using iPhones and iPods and now iPads with Windoze to make the desktop switch. It's cool and should work well for that demographic if they can drop the price a bit. The big positive is that Apple has developed this technology to the point where their implementation on the desktop will be more intuitive and smooth operating than any of the Windoze solutions available.
I only wish if they did do something like this they wold incorporated pressure sensitivity as it would make it more useful for designers and open doors for other uses. I don't know whether Peratech has developed anything quite as sensitive as Wacom's technology, but they certainly seem to have developed something that could be useful for a lot of people. If QTC lives up to half of the hype the parent company should definitely be on Apple's acquisition radar.
Peratech
iPad as Remote for Apple TV more likely / New iMac needs to focus on different issues
A touch screen desktop would be too gimmicky for Apple.
What I can see happening is using the iPad with a Remote App for controlling Apple TV. An evolution of the current Remote App for iPhone/Touch that lets you control the iTunes library on your desktop.
The iPad remote would offer screen mirroring, so you can see what content is currently playing on your TV while moving freely across your house.
It could also offer supplemental content; even video and background info, that you could see displayed on your iPad while the actual media content plays on the Apple TV. This way, the iPad could act as a little support screen that cues in background info at the right moments, e.g. in a movie, without disrupting the actual movie experience or cluttering up the screen (as additional content on DVDs does).
That would be pretty cool : )
As for the iMac, the next step would be trickling down quad-core processors to the 21" models and pleasepleaseplease offering a non-glossy screen.
A touch screen desktop would be too gimmicky for Apple.
What I can see happening is using the iPad with a Remote App for controlling Apple TV. An evolution of the current Remote App for iPhone/Touch that lets you control the iTunes library on your desktop.
The iPad remote would offer screen mirroring, so you can see what content is currently playing on your TV while moving freely across your house.
It could also offer supplemental content; even video and background info, that you could see displayed on your iPad while the actual media content plays on the Apple TV. This way, the iPad could act as a little support screen that cues in background info at the right moments, e.g. in a movie, without disrupting the actual movie experience or cluttering up the screen (as additional content on DVDs does).
That would be pretty cool : )
As for the iMac, the next step would be trickling down quad-core processors to the 21" models and pleasepleaseplease offering a non-glossy screen.
I'm keen to see the development of a Touch Screen iMac
I'm guessing the screen will be tilt-able?
As an illustrator I would expect a stylus for more precision work including drawing.
It will be a thousand times more powerful than an iPad running full OSX and run all the applications required for developing software that runs on the consumer only iPad.
Not sure why so many people are against it.
My only other requirement is a windscreen wiper to clean my grubby finger marks.
I'm guessing the screen will be tilt-able?
As an illustrator I would expect a stylus for more precision work including drawing.
It will be a thousand times more powerful than an iPad running full OSX and run all the applications required for developing software that runs on the consumer only iPad.
Not sure why so many people are against it.
My only other requirement is a windscreen wiper to clean my grubby finger marks.
Nah, it's just gonna' have a Retina Display
It'll just have a Retina Display with graphics higher than the current 4870 and faster hardware. It's only 22" because it doesn't need to be big at such pixel density. If you remove it's aluminum stand, it'll be light enough to be tolerable for your lap but it's gonna' be too hot.
The whole screen can't be a big iPad that you put on a low table with virtual keyboard and pressure sensitivity (I expect the iPad to have Retina Display with pressure sensitivity and front camera) because that would be too tiring and the smudges are gonna' ruin photo editing sessions because nowadays you also use an iMac for professional jobs.
The current iMac are already multi-touch with the multi-touch mouse. I just think it's the Retina display and the wireless keyboard will have iOS capabilities for things like Dashboard which is rarely used coz' it gets in the way of the your work.
Gbu.
It'll just have a Retina Display with graphics higher than the current 4870 and faster hardware. It's only 22" because it doesn't need to be big at such pixel density. If you remove it's aluminum stand, it'll be light enough to be tolerable for your lap but it's gonna' be too hot.
The whole screen can't be a big iPad that you put on a low table with virtual keyboard and pressure sensitivity (I expect the iPad to have Retina Display with pressure sensitivity and front camera) because that would be too tiring and the smudges are gonna' ruin photo editing sessions because nowadays you also use an iMac for professional jobs.
The current iMac are already multi-touch with the multi-touch mouse. I just think it's the Retina display and the wireless keyboard will have iOS capabilities for things like Dashboard which is rarely used coz' it gets in the way of the your work.
Gbu.
touchscreen not important
If I want a touchscreen based computer, I buy a iPad.
I can't imagine that you can work very productive if you must/can
switch from Mac OS X to iOS and vise versa in iMac.
It is important that Apple produce iMacs with a quad and hexacore processors (also for smaller displays)
and faster graphic cards build in. It is okay, that Apple has a (one!) slow and very energy efficient iMac in portfolio for classical office environment.
All other competitors has faster computers in the portfolio, so why not Apple?
The Mac Pro is not a solution for that issue (XEON processor, price, other application area).
iMac for rendering purposes and games today? Not really.
What is with USB 3.0 and SSDs in iMac? It is time Apple...
If I want a touchscreen based computer, I buy a iPad.
I can't imagine that you can work very productive if you must/can
switch from Mac OS X to iOS and vise versa in iMac.
It is important that Apple produce iMacs with a quad and hexacore processors (also for smaller displays)
and faster graphic cards build in. It is okay, that Apple has a (one!) slow and very energy efficient iMac in portfolio for classical office environment.
All other competitors has faster computers in the portfolio, so why not Apple?
The Mac Pro is not a solution for that issue (XEON processor, price, other application area).
iMac for rendering purposes and games today? Not really.
What is with USB 3.0 and SSDs in iMac? It is time Apple...
I'm not really fussed about touchscreen imacs but it does all add up. The magic pad for all the Macs without the touch-screen.. Ability to run iOS much like you currently run Dashboard, but much, much cooler..
From a gaming perspective it'd add a hell of a lot of value to the Mac platform.. Various other little apps would be cute additions too.
If they do it well it could offer big added value, and wouldn't signify anything in terms of "the end of the Mac platform" How many people aren't going to get iPhones but DO have Macs? Quite a lot.. How much iTunes store iOS software could Apple sell to those people? Quite a lot, I'd imagine! I'd certainly not mind the chance to play around with iphone software across the desktop too.
I would be very surprised if this sort of thing happens so soon though.
From a gaming perspective it'd add a hell of a lot of value to the Mac platform.. Various other little apps would be cute additions too.
If they do it well it could offer big added value, and wouldn't signify anything in terms of "the end of the Mac platform" How many people aren't going to get iPhones but DO have Macs? Quite a lot.. How much iTunes store iOS software could Apple sell to those people? Quite a lot, I'd imagine! I'd certainly not mind the chance to play around with iphone software across the desktop too.
I would be very surprised if this sort of thing happens so soon though.
Actually, as a developer...
... as a developer, I'd like to have an App Store I could put apps in and have Apple take care of the shipping/marketing/etc., just cut me a check once a month. They could be Mac apps rather than iPad apps. You could also run the iPad or iPhone apps using a variation on the iPhone Simulator that comes with the SDK.
Now, I do think there is a problem with the App Store as it currently exists: there is not enough organization, so that it's difficult to find the app you really want. But that's a separate issue, and I'm sure it will get fixed over time.
That would be a gigantic step backwards. Only being able to run Applications deemed worthy by Apple? It maybe fine for your very average PC user who writes email, iWorks, and browses internet - but anyone else - crippling.
I suppose they could have two flavours of the OS - the locked down version called "Th iOS desktop Disney Edition"!
... as a developer, I'd like to have an App Store I could put apps in and have Apple take care of the shipping/marketing/etc., just cut me a check once a month. They could be Mac apps rather than iPad apps. You could also run the iPad or iPhone apps using a variation on the iPhone Simulator that comes with the SDK.
Now, I do think there is a problem with the App Store as it currently exists: there is not enough organization, so that it's difficult to find the app you really want. But that's a separate issue, and I'm sure it will get fixed over time.
Probably OK for everyday use, but impractical for computers used for image editing because of the smudges.
Cool Idea. Horrible implementation. Why put it in a imac or any desktop!? The angle would hurt like hell and it could never be used in a productive setting (at an office where you have to type all day) also if it only has an iOS layer then how much will it be utilized is it worth to touch the screen to open safari then use the mouse for everthing else.
Edit:
maybe it would be cool to have like an iOS crossover that replaces dashboard and has an app store but not touch screen..
Edit:
maybe it would be cool to have like an iOS crossover that replaces dashboard and has an app store but not touch screen..
I doubt it. While multitouch is practical for handheld devices, it isn't for desktop computers. The idea just isn't ergonomically sound, and doesn't seem like the kind of thing Apple would do. iOS is pretty good for what it isa simple, stripped-down interface that allows people to interact with handheld devices. It's not a replacement for Mac OS X, Windows, Linux distributions, or other desktop operating systems, and it would be foolhardy for Apple to conflate the two.
I know that I personally would be pretty annoyed if Apple decided to make all its operating systems identical to iOSI think there's a time and a place for multitouch, and a time and a place for desktop operating systems. God forbid iOS and Mac OS X merge.
I know that I personally would be pretty annoyed if Apple decided to make all its operating systems identical to iOSI think there's a time and a place for multitouch, and a time and a place for desktop operating systems. God forbid iOS and Mac OS X merge.
Anyone above the age of five knows they'll have their fingers snapped off if they touch my iMac screen... and that includes Lord Jobs!
And that's not just because he didn't reply to my email!
But seriously, I barfed RAM chips when that stupid broad demonstrated the HP Touchsmart. It's the worst thing I've seen for years. Why would Apple go down that road?
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And that's not just because he didn't reply to my email!
But seriously, I barfed RAM chips when that stupid broad demonstrated the HP Touchsmart. It's the worst thing I've seen for years. Why would Apple go down that road?
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Who cares?????
I couldn't care less about touchy feely or iOS or whatever. If they do this, it better not raise the base price of an iMac! Better yet, make it available as an extra charge option for those who want it.
I couldn't care less about touchy feely or iOS or whatever. If they do this, it better not raise the base price of an iMac! Better yet, make it available as an extra charge option for those who want it.
I think this is about giving OSX some of that developer love. Having watched people port their games etc to iPad, moving them to iOS on iMac should be simple enough - just another view and maybe higher res graphics if necessary. It opens up possibilities for developers and more customers.
Regarding touch on an imac- I imagine the biggest benefit of touch is the multi-touch aspect. I can imagine map & data exploration apps / programs become insanely compelling on a 22 inch screen, ergonomically slanted to be more like a surface.
Comments are right though- it feels too gimmicky for Apple. Steve Jobs has said he likes to catch technologies at a certain trajectory on the curve... this touch-screen on a big machine feels too low down on the curve and hence too big a risk for apple unless they've come up with a way to add it as a sort of "free" addition. Try to imagine the business case for a machine that has a 22" Retina display that is also a touch-screen... sounds expensive to me.
I think a flavour of iOS as a dock replacement or integrated into Finder makes some sense, opening apps (at least initially) in appropriately sized windows is, I imagine, very doable, especially as iOS is effectively just a subset of OS-X (excluding of course the touch functionality).
What I don't get is the touch "peripheral" being shown elsewhere in the forums... unless you have 5 cursors on screen (confusing), by not touching the screen itself, you introduce abstraction that just eliminates the tactile and simple nature of current multi-touch.
Finally, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be excited about running multitasking multitouch apps from ipad etc on an imac 22" screen!
It would make their widget concept just so much more compelling if each widget was an iphone or ipad app, all running simultaneously on screen in one go.
Regarding touch on an imac- I imagine the biggest benefit of touch is the multi-touch aspect. I can imagine map & data exploration apps / programs become insanely compelling on a 22 inch screen, ergonomically slanted to be more like a surface.
Comments are right though- it feels too gimmicky for Apple. Steve Jobs has said he likes to catch technologies at a certain trajectory on the curve... this touch-screen on a big machine feels too low down on the curve and hence too big a risk for apple unless they've come up with a way to add it as a sort of "free" addition. Try to imagine the business case for a machine that has a 22" Retina display that is also a touch-screen... sounds expensive to me.
I think a flavour of iOS as a dock replacement or integrated into Finder makes some sense, opening apps (at least initially) in appropriately sized windows is, I imagine, very doable, especially as iOS is effectively just a subset of OS-X (excluding of course the touch functionality).
What I don't get is the touch "peripheral" being shown elsewhere in the forums... unless you have 5 cursors on screen (confusing), by not touching the screen itself, you introduce abstraction that just eliminates the tactile and simple nature of current multi-touch.
Finally, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't be excited about running multitasking multitouch apps from ipad etc on an imac 22" screen!
It would make their widget concept just so much more compelling if each widget was an iphone or ipad app, all running simultaneously on screen in one go.
My guess is that Apple is transitioning away from making "computers" in the legacy sense of the word.
They have loudly proclaimed themselves to be a mobile device company.
Voice commands are the most natural way to interact with a computer. But it does not work well.
Touch screens are more natural than the mouse and keyboard. But they too do not work as well.
I choose usability over "natural".
In other fora, people say that is a good thing. They go on and on about their stupid neighbor who hates computers and "cannot" use a computer, but who nevertheless loves iOS.
And Apple never made much profit until iOS hit the scene.
Dunno. But if Apple went in that direction, I would be unsurprised. There are a whole lot of naive users with extra bucks to spend on simple stuff.