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Apple to Manufacture Verizon-Compatible iPhone in Q3 2010?
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I'm sure JailBroken CDMA phones will pop up for sure, if this actually happens.
To bad i just signed another agreement with VZW yesterday afternoon. But wouldn't you know it, i got home was setting up my Droid Eries, then jumped to Gizmodo on my laptop; and what do you think the first headline was.... iPhone coming to Verizon Q3 2010.Go figure.
Interesting stuff. It's still hard to determine if Apple with get with Verizon before December 2010. As per my previous post, it's probably a breach of contract on Apple's part. That is unless Apple paid AT&T. Last I heard, Apple is not, and has not, been short on cash.
As far as AT&T, that company just dumped the entire division my mom works for and they are not doing well. When they were in better times, it was still hard as back then people joked that AT&T stood for "Allen and his two temps" slamming CEO Allen for all the layoffs at the company.
Why would you want to sell iPhones on Verizon's pseudo-3G network? Isn't AT&T good enough? Oh wait. It's not. Verizon's is sh¡tty also and slower than AT&T's and what about... Sprint, T-Mobile and US Cellular?
Oh my god, I FORGOT! There are NO good cellular companies in the USA! I forgot that the US is the only first world country that has a crappy cellular service!
Oh my god, I FORGOT! There are NO good cellular companies in the USA! I forgot that the US is the only first world country that has a crappy cellular service!
I'm sure JailBroken CDMA phones will pop up for sure, if this actually happens.
To bad i just signed another agreement with VZW yesterday afternoon. But wouldn't you know it, i got home was setting up my Droid Eries, then jumped to Gizmodo on my laptop; and what do you think the first headline was.... iPhone coming to Verizon Q3 2010.
Interesting stuff. It's still hard to determine if Apple with get with Verizon before December 2010. As per my previous post, it's probably a breach of contract on Apple's part. That is unless Apple paid AT&T. Last I heard, Apple is not, and has not, been short on cash.
As far as AT&T, that company just dumped the entire division my mom works for and they are not doing well. When they were in better times, it was still hard as back then people joked that AT&T stood for "Allen and his two temps" slamming CEO Robert Allen for all the layoffs at the company.
Hey, we have great cellular companies here. I can receive a call and know within 20 seconds who it is that is calling. I can even determine the sex of the caller in 10 seconds!
The gap between 3.5" and ~10" (in addition to the tablet features) is not big enough?
Specifically, written in the third paragraph:
Then, to quote the date of the article: Updated 5/23/2007 8:38 PM, by Leslie Cauley.
I cited this same reason in my thread "iPhone will Never Ever... EVER Be On Verizon... at least until...", but USA Today has since revisited the topic, by the same writer:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/phones/2009-04-26-apple-verizon-iphone_N.htm
At this point, I'm concerned that Les Cauley's "source" is out of date, and attempting to draw a line of continuity on information that may have since changed, seems dicey. It's very possible some renegotiation has occured if AT&T was unable to keep its promises to Apple. Nobody REALLY knows except the CEOs, lawyers, and middlemen.
Is the 5 year CDMA exclusivity and 3 year distribution deal still what we're seeing? Some people seemed to have gotten them confused. Early on, AT&T would only describe the deal as "multi-year", and "more than two". Now, we're seeing that it was 3 years. Less clear, was the notion that Apple was not to develop a CDMA compatible phone for 5 years. I'm left wondering about Les Cauley's source, and if the information is still up-to-date. Did he really mean "develop" or did he mean "manufacture"? From the job listings for CDMA engineers, it sounds like the word "develop" was inaccurate. So if "develop" was inaccurate, what ELSE was?
I've given up trying to convince anyone that these rumors are just attempts to perpetuate interest. I'm throwing in the towel. Verizon in 2010! Woo-hoo! (Although its probably Sprint).
~ CB
LOL. Correct me if I'm wrong... but there IS no "jailbreak-unlocking" for CDMA. GSM was one thing, but on CDMA, unless Verizon and/or Sprint explicitly allows the device on the network, then the device simply will not work on the network. It's a whole other world to which the is nothing but red tape for hackers.I'm sure JailBroken CDMA phones will pop up for sure, if this actually happens.
To bad i just signed another agreement with VZW yesterday afternoon. But wouldn't you know it, i got home was setting up my Droid Eries, then jumped to Gizmodo on my laptop; and what do you think the first headline was.... iPhone coming to Verizon Q3 2010.
http://cellphoneforums.net/general-cell-phone-forum/t206579-unlocking-cdma-phone.html
No "below the radar" with this one. If your CDMA compatible iPhone is "unlocked", odds are it can do a WHOLE crapload of stuff they really don't want you to do... so, why would they? Hince: NON-STARTER.
~ CB
I'm guessing you're a law student, not a lawyer. Anyway, you have no idea how long the exclusivity is in the contract. (there's no evidence that the 5-year thing was true - if anything., at&t's continuous 10K statements that they could lose exclusivity prove otherwise) If and when Apple allows verizon to have iPhone, you can be sure it will be because the contract with AT&T has terminated, or at least the exclusivity clause has terminated.
Adhesion will never be applied between two companies, each with their own legal teams, who enter into a contract.
Promissory estoppel also doesn't apply. They entered into an actual contract. Promissory estoppel won't be applied to create a de facto contract when there's already an actual contract.
A Wild Idea
Here's one: allow the iPhone to access BOTH the Verizon and AT&T networks. Set the monthly price at the same amount. Then let Verizon and AT&T bicker about what portion of each account goes to either company based on usage or area.
Where I live, AT&T comes in 4 or 5 bars everywhere I go -- except home. So from home, I'd go with Verizon. That's almost none of my Internet data -- I have computers at home -- but a pretty good proportion of my iPhone usage.
So, say my iPhone charge is $50 for AT&T and $30 for Verizon. This gives the cell companies motivation to build out their networks, so they can get a higher percentage of the usage of each person with dual processors.
The cell networks have to work more like the Internet.
Here's one: allow the iPhone to access BOTH the Verizon and AT&T networks. Set the monthly price at the same amount. Then let Verizon and AT&T bicker about what portion of each account goes to either company based on usage or area.
Where I live, AT&T comes in 4 or 5 bars everywhere I go -- except home. So from home, I'd go with Verizon. That's almost none of my Internet data -- I have computers at home -- but a pretty good proportion of my iPhone usage.
So, say my iPhone charge is $50 for AT&T and $30 for Verizon. This gives the cell companies motivation to build out their networks, so they can get a higher percentage of the usage of each person with dual processors.
The cell networks have to work more like the Internet.
Not terribly difficult but it would increase the cost of manufacture of the hardware and increase the costs and potential bugs in the firmware for very little gain for Apple in terms of marketshare. People are willing to switch from CDMA for the iPhone. Heck, even CDMA carriers like Telus and Bell were willing to switch to HSPA/HSDPA (3G+ GSM) for the iPhone. Apple is not the only manufacturer unwilling to not only not "world phones" but even CDMA only devices. Telus and Bell now have access to a lot more phone models with their new network and speeds up to 21 Mbps which is a lot faster than EVDO.
It is not worth it considering that the subscribers in Canada are eventually going to switch to HSPA phones when their contract is up and considering that the two largest CDMA providers in Asia are going with LTE.
http://www.cdg.org/worldwide/cdma_world_subscriber.asp
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution#Carrier_adoption
As important as you think the current Verizon and the holdout Sprint network are to you, as an American consumer, they are small in the big picture.
There is also the factor of how many subscribers on CDMA networks would actually pay even a subsidized price for an iPhone versus subscribers on GSM networks around the world.
I know of quite a few people in Canada who no longer have a land line and I'm considering dumping mine and switching to Cable internet from DSL. Most Americans are still on POTS landlines.
PS. Are you aware that developing software costs money and that Apple would have to spend extra time and money developing the software for little benefit to them?
Just to review: 5 year ban on developing a CDMA phone. Not the term of exclusive distribution (which was always 3 years). But, you're right, either way... I don't think anyone has produced any real evidence that this was or is still true.
~ CB
No Verizon until they switch to GSM
I hate AT&T, and love T-Mobile. As for Verizon, Apple should wait until Verizon switches to an internationally standardized GSM-based network. Verizon is planning on doing this when dumping CDMA for GSM-based LTE in 4G networks.
I hate AT&T, and love T-Mobile. As for Verizon, Apple should wait until Verizon switches to an internationally standardized GSM-based network. Verizon is planning on doing this when dumping CDMA for GSM-based LTE in 4G networks.
Don't forget about Sprint, Apple.
Each of you here could get:
450 anytime mins, unlimited calls to any cellphone on any network, unlimited n&w that start at 7pm, unlimited sms/mms, an extensive 3G network that competes with Verizon and blows AT&T out of the water all for $59.99 per month. If you pay $69.99 per month with Sprint you get full upgrade eligibility every 12 months instead of 24.
Each of you here could get:
450 anytime mins, unlimited calls to any cellphone on any network, unlimited n&w that start at 7pm, unlimited sms/mms, an extensive 3G network that competes with Verizon and blows AT&T out of the water all for $59.99 per month. If you pay $69.99 per month with Sprint you get full upgrade eligibility every 12 months instead of 24.
Then why do some porn apps slip through Apple's "quality assurance" system?
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/porn-comes-to-the-itunes-app-store/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10273717-37.html
Apple is not going to make the screen smaller. Your source is not reporting accurately. There is no way in heck that Apple is going to make the iPhone screen smaller. 
I think that having a Verizon compatible iPhone makes sense for both Verizon and for Apple. I know that I am not alone in saying that Verizon's 3G EVDO network runs circles around AT&T's 3G network. I know that a ton of people will flock to Verizon and buy the new iPhone. By Q3 2010, I will be at the tail end of my AT&T contract and if this comes to fruition, I will be flocking as well.
As far as the 2.8" screen...I can only see that as a second offering alongside the iPhone. I don't think they would call it the iPhone Nano because that is an iPod thing. Maybe iPhone Cub (to go along with the big cat theme of Mac OS X).
As far as the Anti iPhone propaganda that Verizon has been spreading lately, Apple will forgive them. All of this is just business. In order for Verizon to effectively market their new Moto Droid, they need to favorable compare it with what people already know and love. Apple and Steve Jobs understand this and I doubt that it will in any way keep the iPhone off Verizon.
One thing is abundantly clear...for anyone following mobile and wireless technology, this is an exciting time. It seems a lot like computers in the 1990s. Everyone is trying to play catch up with everyone else and as a result, we see (and will continue to see) tremendous innovation and really cool products.
So that being said, let the best man win!
As far as the 2.8" screen...I can only see that as a second offering alongside the iPhone. I don't think they would call it the iPhone Nano because that is an iPod thing. Maybe iPhone Cub (to go along with the big cat theme of Mac OS X
). As far as the Anti iPhone propaganda that Verizon has been spreading lately, Apple will forgive them. All of this is just business. In order for Verizon to effectively market their new Moto Droid, they need to favorable compare it with what people already know and love. Apple and Steve Jobs understand this and I doubt that it will in any way keep the iPhone off Verizon.
One thing is abundantly clear...for anyone following mobile and wireless technology, this is an exciting time. It seems a lot like computers in the 1990s. Everyone is trying to play catch up with everyone else and as a result, we see (and will continue to see) tremendous innovation and really cool products.
So that being said, let the best man win!
I think that having a Verizon compatible iPhone makes sense for both Verizon and for Apple. I know that I am not alone in saying that Verizon's 3G EVDO network runs circles around AT&T's 3G network. I know that a ton of people will flock to Verizon and buy the new iPhone. By Q3 2010, I will be at the tail end of my AT&T contract and if this comes to fruition, I will be flocking as well.
As far as the 2.8" screen...I can only see that as a second offering alongside the iPhone. I don't think they would call it the iPhone Nano because that is an iPod thing. Maybe iPhone Cub (to go along with the big cat theme of Mac OS X
As far as the Anti iPhone propaganda that Verizon has been spreading lately, Apple will forgive them. All of this is just business. In order for Verizon to effectively market their new Moto Droid, they need to favorable compare it with what people already know and love. Apple and Steve Jobs understand this and I doubt that it will in any way keep the iPhone off Verizon.
One thing is abundantly clear...for anyone following mobile and wireless technology, this is an exciting time. It seems a lot like computers in the 1990s. Everyone is trying to play catch up with everyone else and as a result, we see (and will continue to see) tremendous innovation and really cool products.
So that being said, let the best man win!
this is the most well thought out response so far and i totally agree