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People worrying about @icloud.com :D

I'm pretty sure Apple won't change the name of MobileMe's email service.

I think iCloud is a collection of services for 'me' which will exclusively be used for any iCloud service provided by Apple. iCloud is a wrapper around MobileMe.

In my opinion, MobileMe is effectively gone. The only things that are there now are:

1. iCloud [target name]
2. "me" services.

That's what I think. :|

Yea, well when the switch was made to MobileMe, we all ended up with two email addresses for the same account. And ask anyone with a .mac email, there have been many occasions when .mac addresses would not work as logins, etc.. During the MobileMe rollout crisis, many of us starting using the @me.com addresses, hoping they would work when @mac would not.

Nowadays, I've finally gotten everything over to @me.com....except my ACTUAL AppleID for iTunes and everything else, that can't be changed. Really annoying.

I don't need @icloud.com to totally throw everything off, AGAIN.
 
Apple is a little late to the part on most of these request, lets hope they make it "magical" :rolleyes:

My predictions on iCloud.

- Everything you purchase from Apple will be “synced” with the cloud, be it media/apps/or software. Actually it will just remember what you purchase/purchased and make that available if you upgrade hardware or something.

Google/Android does this

- Mail and calendar syncing (exchange) will be free.

Google/Android Does this

- Personal file (any file) back up will be free for Apple hardware purchasers up to a certain capacity. Larger capacity will require a fee.

Google/Android/Dropbox/Sugarsync does this

- You will have access to ALL your cloud data from any machine via an OS/Mac app or Web portal.

Google/Android/Dropbox/Sugarsync Does this

- Streaming is a tricky one. I’m guessing it will be free for any Itunes purchased content but I’m thinking there will be a fee for the rest… but that has a really bad stench of anticompetition.

google/amazon does this
Overall, the main service features will need to be free or else this will bomb. Apple makes enough money off it’s hardware and software that backing up and access your stuff will now be part of the Apple products you buy. People are It’s already that way with apps, I see iCloud as expanding on that successful model.

I really hope they bring a unique challening product, but if past cloud project are the judge, they will fail!
 
lets say i get a macbook pro in 2 weeks but for some reason lion isnt actually available until september could i get lion for a discounted price because i got my mac so close to the date
 
Carriers might start offering unlimited again if enough people complain about it. Or at least a 10 GB a month limit.

The carriers are already offering 10GB per month... you just have to pay extra for it. It's not a matter of whining loudly enough to motivate for profit companies like AT&T & Verizon to give us lower costs. With only 2 major players, we could all cry as loudly as we possibly can. There's only 4 ways that we end up with better pricing on increased cell data usage:
  1. New competition that fights on price- every such competitor that pops up gets bought out and absorbed by the 2 dominant players
  2. Government mandates- usually lots of talk & posturing but no real action (has your broadband rate went down in the last couple of years?)
  3. People quit cell services en masse with a unified reason of pricing being too high, which then motivates the players to lower their prices (good luck with this one)
  4. Some completely new communications invention that is ultra cheap, high bandwidth, wide area, and easy & quick to deploy globally. (Star Trek subspace? Something else?)

AT&T & Verizon are happy to sell you whatever level of streaming data you need. If that's 10GB, it looks like you can get that for $80 per month from Verizon http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/mobilebroadband/?page=plans and probably something comparable from AT&T. If it will vary, paying dynamically (per GB) looks like it can cost more.
 
Ok so the icloud thing will be cheaper if I purchase their computer hardware? If yes, Google here I come. I don't buy prebuilt computers of any type.

Second I been using pandora all the time for over a year. The thing that prevents me from going over a cap is I use WIFI. My apartment has one and my school has one so why would I use 3g. For those of you complaining about data caps, most bussinesses offer free wifi. Seriously the only time I use it on 3g is when I am traveling, oh wait the greyhound and amtrak companies are offering wifi now. Only time a service like this really gets used on 3g is on commutes and jogs.
 
Apple Tax is about to skyrocket.

The price of owning iToys is about to go through the roof.

And you thought the concept of "fragmentation" was bad. "Tiered Pricing" is as nefarious as it gets.

Bend over, Apples headed your way LOL.
 
Apple Tax is about to skyrocket.

The price of owning iToys is about to go through the roof.

And you thought the concept of "fragmentation" was bad. "Tiered Pricing" is as nefarious as it gets.

Bend over, Apples headed your way LOL.

Nighty Night, keep your B-holes tight!
 
Ok so the icloud thing will be cheaper if I purchase their computer hardware? If yes, Google here I come. I don't buy prebuilt computers of any type.

Second I been using pandora all the time for over a year. The thing that prevents me from going over a cap is I use WIFI. My apartment has one and my school has one so why would I use 3g. For those of you complaining about data caps, most bussinesses offer free wifi. Seriously the only time I use it on 3g is when I am traveling, oh wait the greyhound and amtrak companies are offering wifi now. Only time a service like this really gets used on 3g is on commutes and jogs.

The 3G providers are just the leaders of the trend, much like there was one airline that decided to fee us for any baggage first and then the others followed. Already, many people's home broadband providers (Comcast for example) have capped what was billed as "unlimited Internet" at certain levels (much higher than 2GB mind you... for now). The tiers on even home broadband already exist and AT&T & Verizon's incredible growth proves people are willing to pay up for very limited tiers (AT&T's 2GB rate for example is more than 50% of what I pay for 250GB on Comcast).

It's only a matter of time- especially if this iCloud starts heavily biting into Comcast, Time Warner, AT&T, Verizon, etc cable subscription business revenues- before they start adapting their tiers and/or broadband pricing ("due to increasing demand") to make up for any losses (and/or for purely greed-driven purposes). They will not allow a company like Apple to take their video subscription business revenues with Apple flowing their replacement through Comcast, Time Warner, AT&T, Verizon, etc pipes. No possible way.

So enjoy your "unlimited" wifi that is probably already limited. Then stand by to watch it get squeezed should iCloud get any legs and actually start costing the bandwidth gatekeepers money.

By the way: free wifi is not really free- someone pays for it to make it available to you. McDonalds, Starbucks, Barnes & Noble, etc do not have access to a magical source of wireless bandwidth that costs them nothing. Instead, they pay for it for us as part of their thinking on what might lure us into their stores. Who do they buy it from? The same sources we buy it from directly. And should those sources start raising their rates for broadband (see it coming), eventually it will become a more expensive business decision to decide to continue to comp it. What seems to be given is just as quickly taken away... all it takes is higher pricing to you, me, Starbucks, McDonalds, Barnes & Noble, etc. But AT&T, Verizon and other broadband players wouldn't try to raise prices would they? Hint: remember how fast the unlimited "use it only when you need it" plan lasted when the iPad with 3G launched?
 
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Notice: I work at TI, UK.

Email address domain is not a big deal. You are, if you have a good resume. ;)

My company mainly creates software for the 95% of the world that is not using Apples. (Enterprise UNIX/Linux/Windows and Windows clients)

I can guarantee you that replying to an email from us with a return address of "me.com" and a "Sent from my Iphone" signature will damage your chances.

Of course, if a company is making software for the 5% Apple base, those might be advantageous.

My VP has an Iphone 4, and when he's able to get a signal his signature is "Sent from my mobile"
 
Not free to Windows users would be a mistake, seeing how most iOS devices sync to a Windows computer.

The syncing stuff will likely be free period. Just like they did with "find my". Since it's all text based it's probably only perhaps 100MB tops per user so they can afford that.

Then tiers on top for everything else particularly the music stuff. No way would the labels let this happen without some kind of broadcast fee, especially for non itunes purchased tracks. Hell they tried to claim the 30 second previews were a broadcast. ANd the streaming is the perfect gateway to get folks buying into the total service.

There are rumors of something being offered free with Lion and I suspect it could be true. But it won't be the media streaming and it will likely be a low grade tier with limited storage and only the first year at most. Like email and idisk at say 5gb total

As for the whole Back to School thing, it's possible that it might launch next week, that would be in line with previous timings. But it is likely not going to be mentioned at WWDC. It will just appear on the site and in the stores as always
 
So are we seriously thinking that you will go onto iTunes and buy a Album or perhaps Movie, and then have to pay a month sub to have this purchased Album/Movie streamed to your device if you want it?
 
Can you register that .mac address then use if for email?

This still works for me. I have xxxx@me.com and xxxx@mac.com; my wife uses one and I use the other. Incoming mail all routes into the .me account but that's not really a problem for us.

I'm really hoping for some kind of price break for those of use who've been long time .mac/MobileMe users. (Of course I also want an updated version of iWeb and working integration between Microsoft Exchange and iCal, but I'm not holding my breath...)
 
So are we seriously thinking that you will go onto iTunes and buy a Album or perhaps Movie, and then have to pay a month sub to have this purchased Album/Movie streamed to your device if you want it?

I think most of this crowd grasps that buying music will still be buying music. I think they are imagining that instead of (or in addition to) storing it on their local hard drive they'll also just stream it from iCloud. I don't think they believe they'll pay much more to stream it (and some think the iCloud will be free:rolleyes:). But where the bite will really hit is in the AT&T, Verizon, etc bill because even an iTunes plus song streamed enough times in a month will burn through $25 of the 2GB via AT&T.

It seems lots of people are just pretending or not doing the math. For example, just one 2-hour movie can be bigger than 2GB. Buy or rent it on iTunes, pay the iCloud stream fee, and pay to stream it via AT&T or Verizon? Or pay less than $25 for the DVD, rip it, and sync it to take it with you (owning it forever). There's no doubt the iCloud variation offers a convenience factor. But unless we really can keep getting easy access to free wifi wherever we go/travel, that convenience via 3G is going to pack quite a punch on the monthly data bill... especially for video streamers.

And even if we try to make it work with free wifi hotspots, what's it going to be like if 3+ iDevices are all trying to download a fat movie file from the iCloud at the same time? I've never found Starbucks, McDonalds, B&N etc. free wifi to be exactly roaring fast... even when those stores were relatively empty.
 
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agree... I actually still use @mac.com

Same

But more importantly, this needs to work. I mean work really well.

I have a love hate relationship with MM and .mac before it. iDisk...a joke.

They can charge me if it flies, and my email works perfect along with iDisk, otherwise dropbox ftw.

ADD: also, let us configure our accounts from mobile devices apple. I want full control of MM and preferences away from my MBA. Kthx
 
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That's not the actual logo/icon is it???

If so Mr Jobs, I'm dissapointed in you - as someone with some natural pride in good typography you've let this one slip the net. Far too open spacing.

Of course if it isn't, then nice try to who ever did it. Sorry!
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPod; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/533.17.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.0.2 Mobile/8C148 Safari/6533.18.5)

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And Im not changing my email to @icloud.com

agree... I actually still use @mac.com

+1
 
They should make all free except for streaming to all iOS device users with iOS 5. If not, I bet that this wouldn't really catch on except at America.
 
Really? You rankle at having to pay for major OS updates, even when the last one cost $29...? Do you know any software programmers? Have you any idea of the amount of work that goes into a major OS release?
If you don't want to pay, find a free distribution of Unix. Just don't expect Apple (or Microsoft) to give away the major releases of their OSes for free.

So, like individual programmers, you think Apple programmers are paid according to how many units of the OS are sold? I expect Apple to supply the best and latest software so the machine I bought from them continues to run optimally for the rest of its life. You want to continue paying? That's your choice, but don't assume it's the right one.
 
Ok so the icloud thing will be cheaper if I purchase their computer hardware? If yes, Google here I come. I don't buy prebuilt computers of any type.

Second I been using pandora all the time for over a year. The thing that prevents me from going over a cap is I use WIFI. My apartment has one and my school has one so why would I use 3g. For those of you complaining about data caps, most bussinesses offer free wifi. Seriously the only time I use it on 3g is when I am traveling, oh wait the greyhound and amtrak companies are offering wifi now. Only time a service like this really gets used on 3g is on commutes and jogs.

Enjoy your Windows PC and Google mining all of your data.
 
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