Can you explain in more detail? I am wondering why a MP for your needs is $11K, given that your needs can apparently be met by a maxed out MBP?
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Apple to Release Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on December 10
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It's eye candy for awhile...Yes, my thoughts as well. People have to think if Apple actually created a system at this price segment (disregard the base model), there has to be a market for it. Apple is driven by numbers and therefore their marketing team has the data to prove that there is a market for this and most who will buy are probably not on this forum (they are too busy with work to read these blogs).. Yes, it will probably not sell in millions, but there is a "need" for this and gives options for those who do not want to piece together Windows boxes for this kind of power.
Personally, I am very happy that Apple decided to create a system that caters to higher end professionals that need power systems for productivity (work related) instead of looking for mass distribution or high sales. This will not be impressive for the annual report or the stockholder's meeting, but a good "thumbs" up to the higher end professionals.
I do video and audio work for my employment, but do not need this kind of power to do my work..but KNOW THAT THERE IS A DEMAND, especially with the newer technologies that are up-coming (3D, 6-8K+, virtual reality etc. etc.).
Believe it or not, Apple "may" sell more systems then most people on this forum would think and maybe more than the Mac Pro 2013 (even at the higher price). The price points for "both" the monitor and the system are NOT "that" unreachable or unreasonable for professionals needing this and who make the money to buy or can strategically show in their budget that it will pay for itself after a few jobs (if not on the first job). So...Why should Apple always have to cater to college iPhone students?
To see that Apple is providing tools for the "1%" shows something I thought was lost with Apple and therefore will have to reconsider the "Apple don't care about pros anymore" mentality and say, "Now" they do...again...
I do not fall in that 1%, but...I can appreciate the beauty and power of Apple's "Most Powerful" ever Computer...this is a true Mac Pro as it is suppose to be...!
High-density, affordable MicroLED display in a 32” size is probably 5-7 years out, if not longer.
Mini-LED is the tech that’s coming soon; that’s just an LCD with a different backlighting technology.
I don’t personally have an issue with the price but there are plenty of research groups and students at major graduate universities who do cutting edge science and engineering work that need a powerful machine for scientific computing work. Unlike commercial users they don’t have large budgets where they can justify buying such a computer.
I only have $5000 to spend on the display. I can’t stand it.
thats a fairytale mac fan boys tell themselves. apple didnt invent a new technology here. sure it is all very high quality but it is nonsense that the motherboard is way faster than a good pc motherboard. for sure all is well balanced, but that doesnt make an 8 core xeon w run at twice the speed
Which people? Who has claimed that a Mac Pro is faster than something with equivalent components “because apple”?
Better is subjective. Better in what way, for what task?
Well if it’s a cpu bound, highly parallel task that’s kind of to be expected then isn’t it?
I’m happy you found something that works for you.
I’m just going to assume that you understand most tasks in computing aren’t parallel that degree, and cpu core count alone is generally not an accurate measure of a machines “speed”, but you simply forgot to add “for the specific tasks I need to do” in your original post.
I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a Mac Pro today.
thats a fairytale mac fan boys tell themselves. apple didnt invent a new technology here. sure it is all very high quality but it is nonsense that the motherboard is way faster than a good pc motherboard. for sure all is well balanced, but that doesnt make an 8 core xeon w run at twice the speed
The point of a good motherboard and bus design is not to make the CPU run faster.
The Mac Pro and the Power Mac have always been pricier for what you get than other Macs. I never even considered buying one new. I’ve had iBooks, iMacs and the Mac Mini. I bought a souped up used 2009 5,1 five years ago because the price to feature ratio was quite good. I’ll continue to use it for a few more years as long as long as it remains mechanically stable and Mojave (maybe Catalina) supports a version of Logic Pro X that works for me. Then I‘ll have to buy a new or used desktop Mac that fits my budget and make do.
By the way, are there pc motherboards that support MPX modules and afterburner?thats a fairytale mac fan boys tell themselves. apple didnt invent a new technology here. sure it is all very high quality but it is nonsense that the motherboard is way faster than a good pc motherboard. for sure all is well balanced, but that doesnt make an 8 core xeon w run at twice the speed
There is a bit of both. That is why Apple (and many manufacturers) use blended profit margins on their products. They probably make less on the entry level configuration then they do on the high end machine.
The R&D to build this machine is the same, no matter which one is purchased. Apple has to decide how much to allocate from that for each machine.
Yes? That's literally the target market.
I own a 2000 dollar bike trainer and a 3000 dollar bike (plus who knows how much else on misc gear). That's way more than what the average joe will spend on a bike, most people will be happy with a 400 dollar trek and honestly it'll likely suit most people's needs.
But there's going to be upper end in any market and people who will be fine paying for it because either A, they have too much money to blow or B, they are the high end person who will actually benifit from it.
It also has no microphone or speakers...at $6K a pop, it is a monitor with a singular purpose, which isn’t conference calls.
I've got a better idea - I'll get a PC with the exact specs that I need rather than the specs that Tim Cook thinks he can force me to pay for, and save $50 a month to spend on other things. MacOS is nicer than Windows, but it is not 1984 anymore and these days Windows is just as capable if you're not scared of a bit of change.
If you only want to spend $3-5k on a machine, you wouldn't want or need enough DIMM slots, PCIe slots and Watts to put $30k worth of expansion in - but that's what the $6k MP is forcing you to buy. No you can't build a PC with the exact specs of the Mac Pro for $6k, but you can build a PC with comparable processing power and enough expansion for maybe a dual GPU, plus a decent amount of fast SSD for a lot less - especially if an AMD processor or even an i9 fits your needs. Sure, its gonna lose to the Mac Pro at Top Trumps when someone calls out "PSU Capacity" or "Number of Thunderbolt 3 ports" but if that's your criterion for buying a computer, you're holing it wrong.
NB: The 10 core iMac Pro is $5800, has 1TB SSD and a better GPU than the $6k Mac Pro and comes with a 5k screen, the equivalent of which will cost you $1300. Going by the Mac Pro benchmarks on Apple's site, the 28 core MP only beats the iMP in proportion to the number of cores, so a 10 core iMP with Vega is going to smoke the Mac Pro. So you don't even have to look beyond Apple to make the MP look silly - $2000+ extra for a slower machine with the privilege of being able to choose your own GPU and displays, or maybe add some extra internal storage. Maybe you do have to look outside Apple to understand that, in the real world, plain old full-sized towers are cheaper than ultra-compact all-in-ones full of custom parts and rocket-science cooling systems.
Lets translate that into "outside the bubble" language:
The expensive 15W mobile-class i5 CPU got replaced with a cheaper series desktop-class i3 CPU (look on ark.intel.com - the 8th Gen U- and Y- series low power i5s that would be the modern drop-in for the 2014 Mini are over twice the price - even the 2 core ones - of the i2-8100B). The bare minimum of RAM for 2014 got upgraded to the bare minimum of RAM for 2018 (probably about the same price) - which is a problem because the system RAM has to double as VRAM and the rise of 4k means that VRAM usage has quadrupled since 2014. The 500GB HD has been replaced with 128GB of PCIe SSD - which, in 2019, costs about $80 retail, pretty much in the same ballpark as 500GB of 2.5" spinning rust cost in 2014.
So, sorry, but that just about leaves the extra pair of TB3 ports to account for the markup. To repeat the point from above: outside of the reality distortion field, mobile/ultra-compact kit COSTS LESS THAN DESKTOP KIT. Congratulations - Apple are selling you a cheaper computer for more money. Cha-ching!
Not saying that a Mac Mini with a desktop CPU is a bad thing (although a Mac Mini with the feeble iGPU that is all Intel offers in desktop form is a problem) but $800 for an i-freaking-3 and 128GB of SSD is a joke.
Unless, of course, you don't expect price/performance of computer hardware to improve over the course of 4 years and are somehow impressed with the fact that the new Mini beats the 4-year old model (which was criticised as underpowered at the time).
Why would PC have Apple proprietary tech? Moreover it's just some piece of hardware one can add via PCI Express. There are tons of those in PC world. Intel FPGA AccelerationHub is just one example (and they have three different options). Apple ecosystem has always been and remains extremely limited with options.
Yes, definitely. It’s awesome for tik tok videos.
Well, given that the old machine came with one 5400 RPM spinning drive and 6GB of RAM, I would be shocked if that were the case. However, the real question is the delta between the entry level and the fully loaded machine for both generations. This machine has so much headroom that one can upgrade it for a while.
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Apple plans to release the new Mac Pro and the Pro Display XDR on Tuesday, December 10, according to "Save the Date" emails that Apple began sending out to some customers this afternoon.
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Apple in November confirmed that the Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR would come in December, but until now, the company had not provided a specific date. Apple's emails say orders will begin on December 10, so presumably shipments will begin soon after orders open up.
The new modular Mac Pro was first introduced in June at the WorldWide developers Conference, with the machine aimed at Apple's pro user base.
The Mac Pro was designed with a heavy focus on upgradeability and expansion, and it features a traditional PC shape with an Apple-esque stainless steel frame with a lattice pattern that maximizes airflow.
Internal specs include workstation-class Xeon processors with up to 28 cores, up to 1.5TB of high-performance memory, up to two Radeon Pro II Duo GPUs, and eight PCIe expansion slots, along with an Apple Afterburner accelerator card.
Pricing on the Mac Pro will start at $6,000, and will go up based on configuration. The base Mac Pro features an 8-core Xeon W chip.
Apple plans to sell the Mac Pro alongside the Pro Display XDR, a 6K display with a resolution of 6016 x 3384 and more than 20 million pixels. Pricing on the Pro Display XDR starts at $5,000, with an add-on stand priced at $999.
(Thanks, Ryan!)
Article Link: Apple to Release Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR on December 10
Well if it’s a cpu bound, highly parallel task that’s kind of to be expected then isn’t it?
I’m happy you found something that works for you.
I’m just going to assume that you understand most tasks in computing aren’t parallel that degree, and cpu core count alone is generally not an accurate measure of a machines “speed”, but you simply forgot to add “for the specific tasks I need to do” in your original post.
Well parallel performance is what I buy a multi-core workstation for.
But I know that there are many usage cases for mac pros. (surfing, office decoration, etc)
