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Apple today confirmed rumors that it will start selling modified iPhone models in its German stores to comply with a patent infringement lawsuit Qualcomm won against the company in December.

The California-based company said it had "no choice" but to replace Intel chips in the iPhone models with chips from Qualcomm in order to allow them to be sold again in the country.

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"Qualcomm is attempting to use injunctions against our products to try to get Apple to succumb to their extortionist demands. In many cases they are using patents they purchased or that have nothing to do with their cellular technology to harass Apple and other industry players," an Apple spokesperson said.

"To ensure all iPhone models can again be available to customers in Germany, we have no choice but to stop using Intel chips and ship our phones with Qualcomm chips in Germany. Qualcomm is working to eliminate competition by any means they can, harming consumers and stifling industry innovation along the way."
Sources in German retail hinted last week that Apple was working on new versions of the iPhone 7, 7 Plus, 8, and 8 Plus with updated modem hardware that does not violate the injunction levied against it in Germany that resulted in a sales ban on the devices.

Mobile chip supplier Qualcomm sued Apple in Germany alleging that some older iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 models violated Qualcomm patents related to so-called "envelope tracking," which helps mobile phones save battery power while sending and receiving wireless signals. The German court sided with Qualcomm and demanded Apple stop selling the offending iPhones in the country.

In its ongoing legal dispute with Qualcomm, Apple has also had some iPhone models banned in China. However, Apple was able to get around that ban with a software update and has continued selling iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 models in that country.

Article Link: Apple to Sell Modified iPhone 7 and iPhone 8 in Germany to Skirt Sales Ban
 
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"Qualcomm is attempting to use injunctions against our products to try to get Apple to succumb to their extortionist demands."

From the maker of the MFi standard....

I do not see other manufacturer complaining about Qualcom, quite the opposite.
 
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If Apple is suffering because of some aspect of the design of the Intel modem chip, I wonder if Intel is somehow liable for at least part of the damages, as it is their part that infringes?
 
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"Qualcomm is attempting to use injunctions against our products to try to get Apple to succumb to their extortionist demands."

From the maker of the MFi standard....

Wow, I didn’t realise Apple’s proprietary interface was used on all portable products for all manufacturers and Apple own or control the patents for any peripherals used on any phones.

I learn something new every day it seems.
 
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I wonder if this means these "modified" versions will perform faster then?
Or Apple will artificially throttle them to match the Intel versions?

They are throttling the max speeds but average connections speeds should still be better with also better signal on average and lower power consumption.
To me is sounds like a win for German iphone costumers.
 

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"Qualcomm is attempting to use injunctions against our products to try to get Apple to succumb to their extortionist demands. In many cases they are using patents they purchased or that have nothing to do with their cellular technology to harass Apple and other industry players," an Apple spokesperson said.

I think many would call this 'playing Apples own game'.

Also, very hypocritical of Apple to make that statement when there are many companies around the world who have suffered at the hands of Apple because the same was done to them.

Also as well, if the infringing IP is in the Intel chips, shouldn't the issue be taken up with Intel instead of Apple?
 

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"To ensure all iPhone models can again be available to customers in Germany, we have no choice but to stop using Intel chips and ship our phones with Qualcomm chips in Germany. Qualcomm is working to eliminate competition by any means they can, harming consumers and stifling industry innovation along the way."

This sounds so funny coming from a company with the patent on a rectangle with rounded corners. lmao
 

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Not the point I was trying to make.

But if you want to make something Compatible with iOS you have to pay their (Apple) fee, if you want to use Qualcomm ....pay their (Qualcomm ) fee!
The story so far is this:
1. Apple sues Qualcomm over licensing practices
2. Many years of legal battles
3. Apple wanted to use Qualcomm modems
4. Qualcomm refuses to sell Apple modems
5. Apple uses Intel modems
6. Qualcomm halts sales of iPhones using Intel modems

What is Apple to do, not sell phones anymore?

Note: I think a bunch of Apples patents they held and fight for are also ridiculous and should not exist either.

Note 2: Qualcomm also prevented Samsung from selling any of their chips too. Ever wonder why every single smartphone in the US has a snapdragon?
 

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What is Apple to do, not sell phones anymore?

Note: I think a bunch of Apples patents they held and fight for are also ridiculous and should not exist either.
Pretty much answered yourself, if they want the rule to work only when they see fit ......

I share your idea patent sometimes are silly, but if they are allowed to exist, everyone has fo follow the rule, even Apple.
What is Apple to do, not sell phones anymore?
No just pay the fee required, if other manufacturer can afford it, shure can Apple.

Or come up with a different way of doing the same thing.
 

christarp

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Pretty much answered yourself, if they want the rule to work only when they see fit ......

I share your idea patent sometimes are silly, but if they are allowed to exist, everyone has fo follow suit.

No just pay the fee required, if other manufacturer can afford i, shure can Apple.
Of course Apple can pay the fee, but Jeff Williams himself said they wouldn't sell them to Apple. Emphasis on the word sell.
 

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Not the point I was trying to make.

But if you want to make something Compatible with iOS you have to pay their high (Apple) fee, if you want to use Qualcomm ....pay their high (Qualcomm ) fee!
If you want to have your product certified as one that will work with an Apple product without a hitch, then yes, you pay the fee and get that sweet MFi logo on the packaging.
Seeing as both cables and chargers can damage an iPhone I don't see anything wrong with extra certification for OEMs.
As for the Qualcomm situation - it's a completely different issue.
 
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This sounds so funny coming from a company with the patent on a rectangle with rounded corners. lmao[/QUOTE]

By patient in rectangle with rounded corners sure you must mean that slavish clone of iPhone 3G/3Gs copied on every little detail (including accessories and box) aka: earlier versions of galaxy phones, ti the point that it was hard to distinguish them from the iPhone and I myself remember sellers on the shops referencing then to customers saying "it is identical to iPhone, just cheaper "
What is funny is people's denial on this matter. On early days of Smartphone basically Samsung was copying pretty much anything iPhone was having. If Apple didn't do what it did, chances are Galaxy phones would look nothing like they do now.
 

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"Qualcomm is attempting to use injunctions against our products to try to get Apple to succumb to their extortionist demands."

From the maker of the MFi standard....

I do not see other manufacturer complaining about Qualcom, quite the opposite.
No? How about Nokia, Broadcom, Reliance, and the governments of South Korea, China, the EU, and the United States, for starters?

And btw, Apple has no more monopolistic control of the MFi standard than THX does over your stereo. No one has to use either. I’ll add your comment to the long running list of false equivalencies I’ve found here.
 
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