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Apple to Settle Trade Secret Lawsuit With SoC Startup Rivos
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Blaming Apple for allowing this to happen? Maybe Apple shouldn’t trust their employees… However, I suggest Apple weren’t aware of them jumping
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Can get behind the ethical behavior idea every time, but “care”? Almost like the “family” thing HR tries to woo people and get away with for lower wages and almost precarious conditions at times?
Care is a 2-way street, for employees to care, employers have to give reasons to invite care back to them… not this backstabbing surprise layoffs by the tens of thousands a month, making employees feel bad when they have more than one job (to be able to pay their bills) because that it’s ‘cheating*’ and a myriad of other shenanigans.
If there’s anything that today has been punished and taken for a fool ride today is care and loyalty 😞
*regarding cheating: the people that say this tend to have more than one business or be part of board of directors of many at the same time. They also force work from home when it isn’t truly needed but they don’t work at the office themselves 99% of the time.
Strangely enough I've seen in a lot of contracts that, (and I'm paraphrasing now), anything you design while you work for them belongs to the company.
Not anything of course, anything pertinent.
Companies sometimes put clauses in their contracts that won't necessarily hold up in a court of law, but it's enough to scare whoever's signing the contract. I've seen employment contracts that literally anything they create while employed, even unrelated to day job, is the property of the company.
Y’all need to make up your mind, when Apple poached Masimo’s engineers and appropriated Masimo’s trade secrets most people here defended Apple’s actions. Yet here we are decrying how Rivos is doing the same thing
The employees AirDropped files between two devices they had control of; not sure how that plays into your "not private" argument. That's like arguing that a password-protected drive isn't private because the person who knows the password can copy files to or from it.
Let me see if I get this right... when Apple did this to Masimo, they [Apple] was cool with it, but when Rivos did it to Apple, it's out with the lawyers. 🤣
They also knew about USB transfers. There is no privacy on work-supplied and MDM work-managed devices.
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A lot of people disagreed with Apple here, maybe even the majority.
Most people didn't even understand that the Masimo v Apple was several cases which were very different legally.
Masimo didn't win against Apple with regards to trade secrets violations, and Apple didn't win in this case either. The problem isn't employing people, but the use of trade secrets.
If Apple or Rivos didn't use trade secrets, then there are noe problems for the companies.
I agree, it's the summary I read that said Rivo's claimed Apple's suit was overly broad and should only include specific employees, which it appears is what happened.
I'd also settle with Apple because even if they did that the code was still Apple's.
I get it but not a good idea because it could be used against you and your new company as proof you stole trade secrets, even if you never actually used it.
Just don't write identical or close to identical long amounts of code to do the same thing.
You can put anything in a contract, doesn't mean it will hold up in court, but many companies bet you won't try too fight it.
It all depends on what side of the argument you are on. Nothing new there.
Ironic how the "land of the free" is more controlled, locked down, and surveilled than just about every other "democracy" on Earth. In America corporations are more important than people and plenty of people line up to defend this insanity. Just look at some of the Apple fans on this site...
I don't know where you live, but unless it's China--where theft of trade secrets seems to be considered an artform and encouraged, never punished--you'll probably find that it's illegal if you had reason to know that it was proprietary information or trade secret.
Theft of trade secrets is a federal crime under the US Economic Espionage Act,
18 U.S.C. 1832. Up to 10 years in prison and $500,000 fine, or more, if it goes to a foreign power.
It's certainly something I would not have done if I were one of those engineers.
Because Apple never care about enterprise users thus never had any compelling reason to enhance their MDM capabilities, despite having the best MDM for Apple devices among all Apple device enterprise users.
In the meantime not able to refer to the technique used to write the code in the company because guess what, different application require different coding technique. That’s how it is. As for company rights, it’s a grey area in most cases but any smart people would not dare sharing the work they did as-is or even highly similar derivatives during their work to random third parties without prior written approval.
You can argue company contract always carry a degree of NDA that is effective indefinitely. In reality, how many people can say with full confidence they don’t have literally any data owned by their companies on their personal device After they leave the company?
The matter at hand is stealing trade secrets, which is a crime. So-called "poaching" not a crime.
However, it is explicitly a crime for any employer to have any agreement or policy to avoid or discourage hiring employees from a competitor.
However, it is explicitly a crime for any employer to have any agreement or policy to avoid or discourage hiring employees from a competitor.
Yes, it's very noble if they cared about you and didn't fire people by the thousands when things even begin to go south.
This is why, in today's society, only legal pov counts. Nobody really gives a crab about ethics, even when they pretend otherwise for PR reasons.
Yeah but surely sometimes what they put in is illegal, and in those cases they should get a legal kick in the backside.
Cool, any note on when I'll be able to buy iPhone/iPad/Mac/... with these chips, if we're talking about competition? 😁