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Yes Mac is not as safe as some here like to profess.

I have been saying troubles with computer attacks are real for Mac..and got bitched at and fluffed off by many here..........but it is a part of reality.......I expect to hear many of you crying in your beer having to eat the words that Mac's are not affected. Then I can and will say I told you so...and that stuff about it's not a virus, or malware, or a Trojan..means nothing. It is a glitch that got to the computer and what you call it does not matter. Mac will have the same issues as MS as they get more of the market value. Here is a site to read.

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/...ignore-the-dinosaurs-and-get-protection/12857
 
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Reminds me of my neighbor who asked be took check out his machine because it was so insanely slow ... turned out he had three (3!) anti virus applications installed because he was so scared to get a virus and the machine was so busy with scanning itself that everything else got crawling slow (I removed two of the anti virus apps and the machine was working fine again).

O well, nobody can protect computers from the wrong doings of users .... no matter which OS, the user can always manage to bring a good machine down.

95% of the Windows Infestations are Users.
 
Hmm..was redirected to the macdefender malware a couple of days ago, of course didn't install it. good to know that there is a solution to this.
 
And where do you get your reference from...your opinion or facts?

Working in a network with over 25,000 Windows users and some of the best AV, Firewalls, etc in the environment we see users go out of their way to get viruses it seems. Every now and then we have a zero day that comes out but most companies patch them fairly quick. I'd say 95% of Viruses are users being users and the other 5% is from Zero Day security holes outside of the users control.
 
Lets remember how long it has taken Apple in the past to patch serious security holes. Apple does not take security seriously.

The serious security holes that no one ever seems to have trouble with, those security holes? The ones that win prizes at hacker cons but virtually no one suffers from?
 
After reading most of the comments here, I just have to say this...

Please don't come here if you are looking for information. These message boards are entertaining, but they offer little, if any, valuable information. The constant bickering amazes me. Apple could announce that they are giving everyone with the Mac Defender malware a new computer... and someone on here would find a way to complain about it. :eek:
 
After reading most of the comments here, I just have to say this...

Please don't come here if you are looking for information. These message boards are entertaining, but they offer little, if any, valuable information. The constant bickering amazes me. Apple could announce that they are giving everyone with the Mac Defender malware a new computer... and someone on here would find a way to complain about it. :eek:

Or Apple could sell a pet rock for $299 and most here would be claiming it was the greatest invention since the wheel.
 
After reading most of the comments here, I just have to say this...

Please don't come here if you are looking for information. These message boards are entertaining, but they offer little, if any, valuable information. The constant bickering amazes me. Apple could announce that they are giving everyone with the Mac Defender malware a new computer... and someone on here would find a way to complain about it. :eek:


Apple is giving everyone new computers? Sweet! Will a Genius help me transfer my Mac Defender software I just installed over to my new machine? :D
 
Apple is giving everyone new computers? Sweet! Will a Genius help me transfer my Mac Defender software I just installed over to my new machine? :D

I've never complained about someone giving me a free computer because no one ever has. :D And if someone gives me a new Mac, I promise I won't come here and complain. :D
 
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"Macs don't get viruses" is actually all one needs to avoid this exploit.
MacDefender pops up saying, "You have a virus!".
User thinks, "Do not!"
End of phishing trip.
 
A burning at the steak in the center of Infinite Loop in Cupertino is in order.
I'll have mine medium-rare!
Everybody knows they invented sliced bread,
Make that a steak iSandwich!
Apple need to stop the "no viruses" line. It's going to backfire majorly if they don't. Now they're going to have a mass of users downloading all sorts just because they think "Macs don't get viruses!"
As already pointed out, they have never said that. They said they don't get PC viruses. In the past 10 years, they don't get any viruses, because no Mac OS X viruses exist in the wild.
So much for their "Macs don't get viruses" campaigns.
See above. You're making it up.
Even back then there was malware for Mac OS X, Apple had only comfortably ignored that fact and lied to its customers.
No, they haven't lied or ignored that fact. They have always acknowledged that there is malware.
No platform is absolutely safe and secure. It's just that nobody else runs around with a big mouth and pretends to be immune to threats,
Apple never claimed to be immune. You're making stuff up.
Anyway. Welcome to the real world, Apple and Mac users.
I'm in the real world, and it's wonderfully malware free, since I have the only protection my Mac needs to defend against malware: an informed and prudent user.
Well well well. I never thought i would see the day
You still haven't seen "the day." This is nothing new. Just another trojan that uninformed users are foolish enough to install.
i hope it deters other malware writers.
Nothing will deter malware writers.
It'll be more interesting to see if dumb users get educated to the fact that having admin rights on a normal user account is not a good idea. ;)
It makes no difference if you run a standard or admin account. There is no advantage to one over the other.
Fact is - Apple has marketed their OS as not being able to get a virus.
No, they haven't. See above.
Apple should disable "Open Safe Files" in Safari per default.
I agree. And they should enable the firewall by default.
The guy at the mac store and everyone I talk to says they're incapable of getting a virus.
That's false. They CAN get a virus, but since none exist in the wild at this time, they DON'T get viruses. MacDefender is NOT a virus!
I have been saying troubles with computer attacks are real for Mac..and got bitched at and fluffed off by many here..........but it is a part of reality.......I expect to hear many of you crying in your beer having to eat the words that Mac's are not affected. Then I can and will say I told you so...and that stuff about it's not a virus, or malware, or a Trojan..means nothing. It is a glitch that got to the computer and what you call it does not matter. Mac will have the same issues as MS as they get more of the market value. Here is a site to read
You still can't say "I told you so" because this is nothing more than a trojan for the truly ignorant or foolish user. This doesn't represent any failure of Mac OS X, but a failure on the part of users who blindly install software they don't know anything about. Computers, regardless of the OS involved, have always been affected and always will be affected by the #1 threat: the user.
95% of the Windows Infestations are Users.
100% of Mac OS X infestations are users.
And where do you get your reference from...your opinion or facts?
Fact. Users have the power to choose to install malware. Trojans don't install themselves. The user invites them onto their systems, either by ignorance or by carelessness.
Please don't come here if you are looking for information.
If you want information, read this: Mac Virus/Malware Info
 
The serious security holes that no one ever seems to have trouble with, those security holes? The ones that win prizes at hacker cons but virtually no one suffers from?

So let me get this straight. Its ok to have security holes as long as nobody uses them. If thats security I want no part of it.
 
After reading most of the comments here, I just have to say this...

Please don't come here if you are looking for information. These message boards are entertaining, but they offer little, if any, valuable information. The constant bickering amazes me. Apple could announce that they are giving everyone with the Mac Defender malware a new computer... and someone on here would find a way to complain about it. :eek:
That might be true of this News forum. But I find quite a bit of useful information here, and have for a decade. Most recent was a little annoyance with my iPhone, got advice, fixed it.
Nothing will deter malware writers.
Now, now. You can't say that til we've tried everything. What about free pizza? Or death? One of those might work.
So let me get this straight. Its ok to have security holes as long as nobody uses them. If thats security I want no part of it.
You like the straw today, man?
 
seems like there is a new variant of MacDefender that doesn't ask for the admin password ...

http://blog.intego.com/

... still the user has to run the installer and click 'ok/next' etc.

Don't think the variant will make any difference - users that click install on installers that suddenly pop up will also type the password no matter what.

Here the quote from the webpage:

If Safari’s “Open ‘safe’ files after downloading” option is checked, the package will open Apple’s Installer, and the user will see a standard installation screen. If not, users may see the downloaded ZIP archive and double-click it out of curiosity, not remembering what they downloaded, then double-click the installation package. In either case, the Mac OS X Installer will launch.

-> still doesn't redistribute itself like a virus, still requires user interaction to be installed --> I'm still not worried about those
 
I just encountered something new, It's called Mac Guard, and I assume it's a lot like Mac Defender, also it automatically downloaded a .PKG file, obviously I removed it :p.. But i could definitely see a lot of noob Mac users actually installing this..

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I just encountered something new, It's called Mac Guard, and I assume it's a lot like Mac Defender, also it automatically downloaded a .PKG file, obviously I removed it :p.. But i could definitely see a lot of noob Mac users actually installing this..
Read the information in the post by 0815, just 2 posts before yours.
 
Tigers? etc?

Apple needs to be doing this for older OS's that can be affected.

It is irresponsible of Apple to create obsolescence of hardware by discontinuing operating system and technical support for older systems. This policy of Apple's creates more trash filling the landfills and is a waste of resources.

The solution is for Apple to make new software intelligently scaleable such that it recognizes the hardware it is being installed on and adjusts to fit within the memory footprint and hardware's capabilities. Yes, certain new features like transparent window shadows will not be available but there are many improvements which can be continued to offer for older hardware such as the folders in the new iOS which do not need any advanced hardware capability.

The benefit to Apple is they can continue getting sales of operating systems each year as they offer new versions of the OS with new features. Additionally Apple will gain more market penetration as the old hardware is kept active and passed down in families resulting in a larger user installed base. Charge for the technical support - obviously. Just keep offering AppleCare.

Apple should also encourage developers to support the furthest back operating systems and hardware possible.
 
Working in a network with over 25,000 Windows users and some of the best AV, Firewalls, etc in the environment we see users go out of their way to get viruses it seems. Every now and then we have a zero day that comes out but most companies patch them fairly quick. I'd say 95% of Viruses are users being users and the other 5% is from Zero Day security holes outside of the users control.

I worked with a woman who got her PC infected the first day on the job. After the IT worker uninfected her and drug the offending virus to her trash, she came back to her computer and saw that something was in the trash...drug the program out of the trash and ran it... hopeless!
 
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