Apple tracking iPhone users from baseband logs

Discussion in 'iPhone' started by jackjackeleven, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. jackjackeleven macrumors newbie

    Oct 4, 2008
    Here's post from Apple iPhone forum that Apple recently deleted:

    iTunes sends diagnostic logs to Apple. I was curious to investigate what exactly is contained in these logs.

    On an XP machine, navigate to:
    C:\Documents and Settings\<user name>\Application Data\Apple Computer\Logs\CrashReporter\MobileDevice\<phone name>\Baseband

    You will find tons of baseband log files with each log containing the entries on how many times your phone disconnected from network! Wow, Apple knows how many times my iPhone dropped call or disconnected from 3G! How come its NOT doing anything about it? Anyways... here's a typical log entry:

    23:15:22 -0700 DST clm disconnect: duration=57;cause=kNoError;ceer=0;txPower=-41;maxTxPower=0;rat=0;cgi=310:410:42998:10499

    Last night, I spent some time analyzing this and I was shocked by last field "cgi"

    310 = Country Code for USA
    410 = Operator code for AT&T
    422998:10499 = Area/Cellsite (tower) with which iPhone was connected to!

    Apple thus knows physical location of my phone and time when I was at that location. Considering the number of logs that were transmitted to Apple, it seems Apple can easily create a "trail" of where I travelled during the day!!!
  2. Satori macrumors 6502a


    Jun 22, 2006
    Your phone provider will have this info anyway.
  3. Fonzijr1964 macrumors 68000


    Feb 26, 2008
  4. deannnnn macrumors 68000


    Jun 4, 2007
    New York City & South Florida
    Good maybe it'l show them how sucky 3G is in New York City.
  5. kornyboy macrumors 68000

    Sep 27, 2004
    Knoxville, TN (USA)
    Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 2_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/525.18.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.1.1 Mobile/5F136 Safari/525.20)

    We can only hope that they will eventually do something about the dropped calls.
  6. Auzburner macrumors 65816


    Apr 11, 2008
    Syracuse, NY - USA
    This is super interesting! I'm surprised by this, but at the same time can see Apple and AT&T meeting to see where the highest number of iPhone customers are loosing reception or calls. AT&T can then make the changes that will affect the highest number of customers from no 3G signal to no signal in places at all... So this is a good thing...
  7. deimos256 macrumors 6502a

    Sep 9, 2008
    Its more than likely just so apple can say to AT&T hey look your network is failing here here and here, I doubt they are thinkin OMG hes using the tower by a known underground dogfighting ring call the cops now!!!
  8. gkarris macrumors 604


    Dec 31, 2004
    "No escape from Reality..."
    What would be the Operator Code for T-Mobile USA? :eek:
  9. scaredpoet macrumors 604


    Apr 6, 2007
    I rarely think Apple is in the right for deleting a thread, but in this case I have to agree with them.

    They know my tower location and network activity. Or actually, they don't. Are our names an account numbers associated with these logs? No. They only know AN iPhone is in a certain spot and it's either doing okay or doing badly in the call drop department.

    So what? If Apple really wanted to play Big Brother and track us, there's a much more accurate and powerful GPS chipset built in that could do the job. Not to mention an OS that could keep much more thorough logs in a database of my call activity if that was really the concern.

    And why isn't Apple or AT&T doing something about network issues? Because that stuff takes time.

    Don't like being "tracked?" Don't like the network quality? You have other choices. Avail yourself of them. And don't forget your foil hat.
  10. PNutts macrumors 601


    Jul 24, 2008
    Pacific Northwest, US

    What surprises me is that people think we have privacy and anonimity. In the state where I live people are routinely located and rescued by their cell phone signals (not calls, signals). From the moment you sign the contact your information seeps into the systems and every connection your phone makes is logged and monitored. The "black helicopter" crowd thinks they are being watched, but a more accurate statement is that you are being anonymously monitored (until you do something that triggers a response). This applies to many systems.

    Recent examples in the news: Palin e-mail hack, SJ heart attack rumor, 2 mac owners remote access to their stolen laptops, COMCAST p2p restrictions.
  11. Fonzijr1964 macrumors 68000


    Feb 26, 2008
    I just want to say. My city of Baltimore, MD USA now has WiMax

    Maybe the next iPhone will let me use it
  12. jackjackeleven thread starter macrumors newbie

    Oct 4, 2008
  13. jackjackeleven thread starter macrumors newbie

    Oct 4, 2008
    Thats a better way to look at.

    But the fact is that Apple knows where every single iPhone user in the WORLD is located. Imagine a targeted advertising campaign - next time you open iTunes, you see pop-ups of popular restaurants in your area. To make it more intrusive, imagine free text messages, and advertisements on your phone. Worst case: Some hacker steals this data and sells it!
  14. Bearxor macrumors 6502a

    Jun 7, 2007
    Another reason to not connect my phone to my computer. I try to do it as little as possible. Think the last time I did was when 2.1 hit.
  15. MacNut macrumors Core


    Jan 4, 2002
    Do you also keep your phone in a 10 foot thick cement room too?

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