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Apple Trademark Suit
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redAPPLE said:i ain't no terrorist. i usually do not hijack a topic, but i find this interesting. i never thought about what kind of apple the Apple logo is?
is it really a red delicious? i thought it was a "macintosh"
Yeah I had always assumed it was a McIntosh apple, as well, as this informative website (clearly designed for botanists and farmers) shows, a McIntosh is more round, like the Apple logo, whereas red delicious apples are weird-shaped.
I don't know what I'm talking about [edit]: the apple logo is sort of narrower at the bottom i guess... it's hard to tell whether mcintosh apples do that.... pls someone who actually knows, end this debate!
There is a store in Brookfield Wisconsin that sells Apples (the fruit) and their logo looks EXACTUALLY like the Apple Computer logo (with the only exception that the leif is pointed left instead of right). It has all the same curves, and even the bite. I would think that, even though they are selling fruit and not computers, they would be in violation of copyright infringement.
mrsebastian said:
Hmm, you may do so. Have a look here: http://www.gibney.com/LegalNews/Record/colortrademark.cfm
However, most of what you intend to do with the trademark will not be considered to be in good faith, and will rejected by any judge.
TEG said:
being a graphic designer myself and having designed a few logos, i find this very interesting. there's nothing more annoying than spending hours on a logo only to have it demolished in seconds by someone going, "oh, hey, that reminds me of the Windows logo."
this is definitely a gray area, though. on one hand, i don't think Apple really makes that much profit from baseball caps & golf shirts (especially in china, c'mon), but on the other hand, china HAS been known to tow the line w/ knockoff brands ("no, rit's ra REAL Rorex, i swear...").
so they look very different posted there on Macworld's page, but let's say i'm the chinese company & i decide to start marketing some caps for my company. since we're talking stiching, not pixels, it's one color of thread, red on white caps. now let's say i want to reverse it out so i have a white logo on a red cap. now i decide that black looks better w/ my black hair. wow, now that's looking a hella' lot like the Apple cap that i have in my car.
obviously, everyone on this forum would see that cap & wonder what company it was for since it's obviously not Apple Computer, but i can bet you $ that everyone here in my office would think it was.
interesting...
I think we should order clothes from this Chinese company before they go under, so we can ebay them afterwards; kind of like what I wanted to do with those Abercrombie shirts like "Two Wongs Make it White" that had to be discontinued.... the only thing is, I refuse to buy anything from Abercrombie.
Anyways upon further reflection of the apple itself (in Apple Computer's logo), it looks more like a golden delicious or perhaps a Red Rome. Considering the original Apple logo, though, I can't think of any apples that are multi-colored in even horizontal stripes Nor can I think of any metallic or blue-ish (aqua) or plain white ones... maybe SJ has his own specially engineered apple tree.
Anyways upon further reflection of the apple itself (in Apple Computer's logo), it looks more like a golden delicious or perhaps a Red Rome. Considering the original Apple logo, though, I can't think of any apples that are multi-colored in even horizontal stripes
Nor can I think of any metallic or blue-ish (aqua) or plain white ones... maybe SJ has his own specially engineered apple tree.
mrsebastian said:
better hurry, the rainbow is going quickly. but you'll be in good company w/ the wireless giant:
http://www.orange.com/english/default.asp
apple computer and the beatles apple corp logo look more similar than apple computer and apple china. this is a big waste of time and money.
If the Chinese company make half decent clothes Apple Computers should let them go right ahead and flood China with the "Apple" logo. What a great way to subliminally implant the Apple brand into the hearts and minds of China. All Apple computers need do then to cash in, is come up with a computer that the average Chinese could afford - a feat they have not yet accomplished anywhere else in the world!
JamesDPS said:Yeah I had always assumed it was a McIntosh apple, as well, as this informative website (clearly designed for botanists and farmers) shows, a McIntosh is more round, like the Apple logo, whereas red delicious apples are weird-shaped.
I don't know what I'm talking about [edit]: the apple logo is sort of narrower at the bottom i guess... it's hard to tell whether mcintosh apples do that.... pls someone who actually knows, end this debate!
I just made the comment to say that the Chineese logo looks like Fiji Apple, where as the Apple Logo looks like a more common variety, I actually think it may be a Granny Smith, or a Yellow Delicious. I know the Red Delicious is odd shaped. It is also possible that the Apple Logo is a composit of many different Apples, like how the rainbow meant that the computer was for everyone. Also, the Apple Logo predates the Macintosh by nearly 8 years, so I doubt that it is a Macintosh Apple.
Brainstorm:
Apple should rework the Macintosh Line to have each model be a different Variety of Apple, and they could all run Apple OS, instead of Mac OS. The Mac however would replace the PowerMacintosh.
TEG
redAPPLE said:i ain't no terrorist. i usually do not hijack a topic, but i find this interesting. i never thought about what kind of apple the Apple logo is?
is it really a red delicious? i thought it was a "macintosh"
I doubt it's a "Macintosh apple". The name "Macintosh" was chosen by Jef Raskin when he invented the mac as it is his favorite apple (see his recent interview).
Apple as a company/logo was around years before the "mac" came along.
But, who knows...
nagromme said:I think Mac news is ...S...L...O...W... these days
If that is the reason why Apple stock keeps rising at silly rates, keep it slow and quiet.
billyboy said:If that is the reason why Apple stock keeps rising at silly rates, keep it slow and quiet.
go baby go! my apple stock is looking better and better.
Color doesn't matter. Apple has printed their logo in a wide variety of colors (including blue, red, black, rainbow, and white) over the years. The shape is what matters.TEG said:
While I'll agree that they are similar, I doubt they could be easily confused with each other. The presence of the leaf on Guandong Apple's logo and the presence of the bite on Apple Computer's logo should be different enough to avoid confusion.
Hmm, anyone get the latest MacAddict yet? In the back there is a user letter that talks about this, saying someone he knows (forget now) has shoes from a Chinese company with an Apple logo on them. There is a picture of a shoe there with a logo that looks EXACTLY the same, but it must be a Photoshop, because the logo does not look like the red one in the article mentioned here.
Ridiculous Apple
I've lived in china for about 14 years since 1982, I've seen that Apple brand clothing since i can remember my first piece of clothing made by them. But i have never seen an apple computer in china. Even just a few years ago (about 2 ish), apple computers were only beginning to become known, a few select stores carried it, but only older models and not even in stock. This case is ridiculous, no one is going to get confused about the branding logos. Apple computers is going down the sewers on this one.
I've lived in china for about 14 years since 1982, I've seen that Apple brand clothing since i can remember my first piece of clothing made by them. But i have never seen an apple computer in china. Even just a few years ago (about 2 ish), apple computers were only beginning to become known, a few select stores carried it, but only older models and not even in stock. This case is ridiculous, no one is going to get confused about the branding logos. Apple computers is going down the sewers on this one.
Atchelly, the rainbow stripes were a marketing ploy, added at the last minute when the logo was first designed and about to be sent out for its first print job, intended to reinforce that the Apple ][ had built-in color display capability.TEG said:
That shoe's from a different company, Jinpingguo ("Golden Apple" in Mandarin -- Hail Eris! %^), not the one referenced in the article that started this thread, Guangdong Apple; however, the shoe's logo (or mebbe it's just a decoration?) really does look almost EXACTLY like the Apple Computer logo--or more accurately, like a deliberate, clumsy knock-off of the Apple Computer logo (stemless leaf pointing the same direction, bite taken out of the same side but slightly higher and odd-shaped, and an ever-so-slightly different dimple on the bottom)--so if Apple Computer wins against Guangdong Apple, they've got a solid lock on Cease'n'Desisting Jinpingguo as well.trose said:
Apples in china
i lived in hong kong for three years and was practically waiting at the dock when the first batch of G4s arrived (around a month after they were introduced in the states). what is funny is that these were rev.1 single 450's and when i opened the box there were large notices stating i would be breaking united states law if i transported the machine into mainland china. there happend to be a trade law banning the sale of "high speed computers" to china. until then i didn't know a G4 450 was capable of designing nuclear weapons. i felt a little more powerful after that...
Maxx Power said:
i lived in hong kong for three years and was practically waiting at the dock when the first batch of G4s arrived (around a month after they were introduced in the states). what is funny is that these were rev.1 single 450's and when i opened the box there were large notices stating i would be breaking united states law if i transported the machine into mainland china. there happend to be a trade law banning the sale of "high speed computers" to china. until then i didn't know a G4 450 was capable of designing nuclear weapons. i felt a little more powerful after that...
TEG said:
O.K. I'll bite. HOW do you tell a stylized logo is a Red Delicious? By the way, there are MUCH better apples out there than good old Cardboard Crunch! Try Pristine or Gold Rush for starters!