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Apple Transitioning Macs to Custom Chips With 'Incredible' Performance Starting Later This Year
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I may get one last MacBook Pro with Intel CPUs, but after that, as a computational geophysicist, I'm afraid I too will be done. I can't see any promise of community based numerical codes running efficiently on these machines in a virtual environment. Or even getting them to run to start with. Really disappointed. Off to Dell for Ubuntu laptops. In a fantasy world I hope that Razer will take note and release Ubuntu laptops.
I expect the first informative numbers will not come from Apple. They will provide a carefully crafted set accompanied by the usual "supercomputer" hype. The first independent reviews will be very interesting.
You know there’s more than 100 apps for iOS right?
im not suggesting that iOS apps in particular will be a great experience on macOS but holy **** are you painting a weird picture there.
there are no doubt hundreds of thousands of apps that will *never* get a Mac app even with the advent of catalyst, but that do have an iOS app because of market forces.
in many cases that app- while not intended at all to run on a Mac - will still be better than it’s website equivalent. I’m looking at you, banks, parcel tracking services, hotel/flight/etc finders, etc.
But holy ****. I still can’t get over the logic. “Look at the top 100. There aren’t many are there”.
This time we have 5 years of apple making chips that already trounce intel.
Virtualization requires the same hardware platform (i.e. same hardware instructions). To run software compiled for one set of instructions on a different hardware platform, you also need emulation. Some of us remember emulation from the 68k/PPC days. Granted processors were much slower back then, but emulation historically has come with a serious performance penalty.
What made the Intel adoption so attractive to previous Windows/Linux users was the ability to continue running those other OSs while adopting macOS where they could. It is this flexibility that has opened many doors to business users that would not have otherwise opened - and I fear now will close. My company has traditionally been a Windows shop, but over the last 5 years, the CTO has been warming up to other platforms when their use was merited. He recently opened the floodgates to end-users switching to Macs, and this is primarily driven by our DevOps group's requirements. At the moment, it does not seem the new ARM-based Macs will meet those requirements.
And as a post-script, I still think Windows 10 runs better in Boot Camp on my 2012 iMac than it does on the business-class desktops my company purchases (which are far from the low-end).
I think we should wait to hear from them. Recall Microsoft did develop an ARM version of Windows 10 and as Bootcamp requires a new license they may still make it work.
Depends. The chips already get very hot under load, and thats on iOS load.
Cranking up the power for 'pro' performance will mean more cooling. I know the macs are thicker and have better termals but I'd still expect a compact fan which bursts when needed, altho granted its going to be significantly less than the current airplane engines.
No TB. The four TB3 ports of the 2018 Mac mini appear to be USB 3.1 type-C on the new DTK
You did not miss anything - the device with the best power effciency will deliver the best performance under the same power constraint.
What "engineering" Application are you referring to, and what makes you think that MacOS 11 will behave as iOS, in terms of user freedom, whatever that is?
They're translating x86 machine code to ARM machine code, so you start with an x86 executable and you end up with an ARM executable. This is not new. There is loss of performance because there is not always a simple mapping between instructions so one x86 instruction may translate to many ARM instructions.
I was a little worried before, but now I am just so psyched! Apple is supporting both emulation of x86 AND fat binaries! And look at that emulation performance! I no longer even care about lost software - those new Macbook Pros are gonna scream! And hopefully, finally, *finally*, they will be quiet again.
Like many people commented, I'm actually on the fence now - do I get one of the last x86 Macs to ensure compatibilities for work, or take the plunge? I might have to get one of each.
Like many people commented, I'm actually on the fence now - do I get one of the last x86 Macs to ensure compatibilities for work, or take the plunge? I might have to get one of each.
In one benchmark Geekbench. No one has has done extensive back to back benchmarks on real apps like Lightroom/photoshop. I mean the real macos desktop versions, not the neutered iOS versions.
No, but they have prototypes in their labs - they know a lot more about what they have coming down the pike than we do. And they've decided based on Intel's roadmaps and their own that it's worth the pain of transition. They've been proven right twice before.
Yep - just like DEC's Fast-32 Windows emulator for Alpha processors, and those Transmeta VLIW processors that ran Windows. I know the Transmeta system got some bad press, but the DEC system was running Windows apps 3x faster than our highest speed Windows machines at the time.
If they can get half native performance on CPUs that are twice as fast as Core i9s, we're golden!
Most people use phones and tablets a hell of a lot more than desktops and notebooks. That's the future.
Depends. Can cool 10W/cm^2 heat sink using just air. There’s a lot more cm^2 in a laptop vs a phone.
I agree. It’s not something everyone can do but Google is already working on custom silicone.
Don’t get me wrong! I’m not suggesting this will happen overnight but over the next decade or two.
Huawei is another player that probably has interest in going this route especially since China has the goal of self-sufficiency and as long as the Chinese are vulnerable to U.S. sanctions there is a lot of incentive to eliminate dependence on as many suppliers as possible.
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