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Apple Turns on Push Notification Services for Developer Testing

str1f3 said:
The problem with that is you have to go through eleven pages of apps looking for a badge above the icon. The implementation is garbage and it has to be changed. I cannot believe that apple would release it like this. The iPhone is all about ease of use. It will be like hitting a xxx site.
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We must remember the search feature that was introduced...
 
apeacock said:
What I'm really hoping for is that Apple gives the ability to put an icon in the status icon area - up where the playing icon goes now without the need to jailbreak. Right now you can do this with the jailbroken app statusnotifier and I find it extremely useful - I can just hit the top button to turn the screen on and look at what apps have notifications. There would need to be a way to limit those icons to just a few apps (since there isn't much room), but for stuff like IM/RSS/Mail it would be great.
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I cant believe they havent done that already for the SMS/MMS and Email. Ridiculous they havent yet.
 
str1f3 said:
The problem with that is you have to go through eleven pages of apps looking for a badge above the icon. The implementation is garbage and it has to be changed. I cannot believe that apple would release it like this. The iPhone is all about ease of use. It will be like hitting a xxx site.
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Yeah I'm sure everybody has 11 pages of apps. :rolleyes:
 
Can't wait till this is working with facebook and beejive - those are the only two apps I would use it for
 
The iPhone 'push' technology is a poor substitute for background applications. If Apple offered both Push and background apps, that would be great.

Additionally, isn't the iPhone Push technology soley dependent on Apple? If Apple choses to pull the plug / or choose to do maintenance, thats it - no more Push?

I run multiple background apps on my phone / multi-task - having several apps running at once ( i.e, IM, web browser, e-mail etc ) . Having the background apps running all the time, to be honest, doesn't affect battery life that much.. I'll lose a few hours. Instead of recharging the phone every 3 days, I'll have to recharge it every 2.5 days.

Apple are making excuses and a bit song and dance IMO.

I can only assume there's still technical reasons above 'battery life' for why Apple won't allow background apps. This wouldn't be the first time: initially Apple wouldn't allow users to install native applications - but would only offer crappy online widgets. The 'mobile OSX' just wasn't mature enough.
 
Stella said:
The iPhone 'push' technology is a poor substitute for background applications. If Apple offered both Push and background apps, that would be great.

Additionally, isn't the iPhone Push technology soley dependent on Apple? If Apple choses to pull the plug / or choose to do maintenance, thats it - no more Push?

I run multiple background apps on my phone / multi-task - having several apps running at once ( i.e, IM, web browser, e-mail etc ) . Having the background apps running all the time, to be honest, doesn't affect battery life that much.. I'll lose a few hours. Instead of recharging the phone every 3 days, I'll have to recharge it every 2.5 days.

Apple are making excuses and a bit song and dance IMO.

I can only assume there's still technical reasons above 'battery life' for why Apple won't allow background apps. This wouldn't be the first time: initially Apple wouldn't allow users to install native applications - but would only offer crappy online widgets. The 'mobile OSX' just wasn't mature enough.
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right... ever 3 days?? what phone is that?? i doubt it.
 
I agree that Push Notifications are not a good replacement for allowing applications to run the background. For example, when you're talking to someone via the Skype App and you want to look something up on Mobile Safari, you'd have to end your call.

What if you want to have an App that pings a server with the iPhone's current location periodically? You can't, the push information goes only one way.

I hope that push notifications are only the first step. Just like how in the beginning, Apple told developers that if they wanted to develop for the iPhone, they'd have to do it via web apps in Mobile Safari.
 
Either way we slice this, it will be a benefit for us all. Dev's to end users. Who knows, the effectiveness of the notification might be more of a better feeling than what we are giving it. We will find out what is what when it hits in the final version.
 
apeacock said:
What I'm really hoping for is that Apple gives the ability to put an icon in the status icon area - up where the playing icon goes now without the need to jailbreak. Right now you can do this with the jailbroken app statusnotifier and I find it extremely useful - I can just hit the top button to turn the screen on and look at what apps have notifications. There would need to be a way to limit those icons to just a few apps (since there isn't much room), but for stuff like IM/RSS/Mail it would be great.
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Somebody finally brought this up. I do not want notifications popping up on my screen every couple of minutes as that's distracting, but I also don't want to have to scroll through 5 pages of apps to see which ones have a badge on it. A status bar icon (the happy face for apps, and separate mail, SMS, missed call icons for stocks functions) system should be implemented. I can doubletap on the status bar and be brought to a quick launch board where all apps that have notifications are presented. This quick launch screen could also be accessed by swiping up from the springboard.

Does that sound reasonable?
 
CrzyCanuck72 said:
Can't wait till this is working with facebook and beejive - those are the only two apps I would use it for
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Meebo will also be releasing a multiple chat client this summer, and while Beejive pleases me in a way that a woman never could I would like to see what Meebo has to offer.
 
Pretty sure that there will be a better way of handling notifications in the next beta release. There's no way they would have you simply leave a badged app on page 8. My guess is they're going to utilize the top black bar like one user said. It makes since. This would let you see what notifications you have at all times. A simple double tap via call on hold, and it should bring you to spotlight with all the apps with notifications. Just a guess. Having it in the next update would make since also because it can't be used now because developers haven't used notifications yet. Just a guess.
 
So, to keep an IRC conversation going while checking a Youtube video on a normal system I just need to switch to a Safari window and then switch back to the IRC client.

But with this stupid push notification system, when I move to the Youtube video:
1. My iPhone disconnects from IRC;
2. Some Third Party service provides a bot that logs back on as me and caches messages (assuming the Third Party IP range isn't banned entirely from the server thanks to too many weirdly behaving simultaneous clients);
3. When I get messages they're delivered to my iPhone by some awfully intrusive notification rather than something simple like a scrolling status bar;
4. I go back to my IRC client;
5. The Third Party service logs itself out and my iPhone logs back in.

Lame lame lame lame lame.
 
Matt23 said:
I agree that Push Notifications are not a good replacement for allowing applications to run the background. For example, when you're talking to someone via the Skype App and you want to look something up on Mobile Safari, you'd have to end your call.

What if you want to have an App that pings a server with the iPhone's current location periodically? You can't, the push information goes only one way.

I hope that push notifications are only the first step. Just like how in the beginning, Apple told developers that if they wanted to develop for the iPhone, they'd have to do it via web apps in Mobile Safari.
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Exactly. I don't care so much for push... Background Apps can't be replaced. :(
 
its funny all of you wanted apple to come out with push and they did now everyone is complaining up a storm about it i come to reliaze 90 percent of the fanboys can never be happy :rolleyes: I for one will love 3.0 once it is uploaded to my ipod touch

Edit: for those complaing they want backround apps just jail break and install backrounder best thing i have on my ipod right now
 
Veri said:
Please provide me with a waaaambulance.

Lame lame lame lame lame.
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You're missing the point. An iPhone IRC app should be connecting you from a third party server on the internet. Even WITHOUT Push this is necessary because cellular connections are NOT that reliable. Your phone, with its unique identifier, simply synchronises with the server that is holding your actual messages.

Push can be a simple audio notification when someone says your name. OH NO, HOW INTRUSIVE. As intrusive as, oh I dunno, any IRC client on a computer. And just like a computer, any decent app will allow you to turn features on and off. There are plenty of ****** apps in the store at the moment, and of course ****** Push implementation is no exception. If the app is bad, don't buy it. Easy. Quit your bitching.

And on that note... Apple REVIEWS ALL APPS. That means apps that spam crap all the time won't be accepted. This isn't a free market like the Android. Oh wait, they deny apps too if the cell network tells them too :rolleyes: They just don't have a junk filter.


Someone also said "What if Apple pulls the plug?"... the chances of that are about the same as them pulling the plug on the app store. Doesn't happen.


Push is a good solution. Yes, it doesn't suit everything... AirSharing, for example, still needs to have the ability to run in the background. But by releasing Push NOW you prevent a bombardment of ****** apps that expect a constant connection when it's absolutely unnecessary. What they should do is release an API for building 'Services' in a few months, with VERY strict guidelines as to what will be allowed. If it can be done with Push, a service with the same functionality should be denied.

Why do people always do this? No matter what the product is, you all flame without thinking about what you're saying. Just let it be released and learn the culture before starting a war. :cool:
 
Jimmetry said:
You're missing the point. An iPhone IRC app should be connecting you from a third party server on the internet. Even WITHOUT Push this is necessary because cellular connections are NOT that reliable. Your phone, with its unique identifier, simply synchronises with the server that is holding your actual messages.

Push can be a simple audio notification when someone says your name. OH NO, HOW INTRUSIVE. As intrusive as, oh I dunno, any IRC client on a computer. And just like a computer, any decent app will allow you to turn features on and off. There are plenty of ****** apps in the store at the moment, and of course ****** Push implementation is no exception. If the app is bad, don't buy it. Easy. Quit your bitching.

And on that note... Apple REVIEWS ALL APPS. That means apps that spam crap all the time won't be accepted. This isn't a free market like the Android. Oh wait, they deny apps too if the cell network tells them too :rolleyes: They just don't have a junk filter.


Someone also said "What if Apple pulls the plug?"... the chances of that are about the same as them pulling the plug on the app store. Doesn't happen.


Push is a good solution. Yes, it doesn't suit everything... AirSharing, for example, still needs to have the ability to run in the background. But by releasing Push NOW you prevent a bombardment of ****** apps that expect a constant connection when it's absolutely unnecessary. What they should do is release an API for building 'Services' in a few months, with VERY strict guidelines as to what will be allowed. If it can be done with Push, a service with the same functionality should be denied.

Why do people always do this? No matter what the product is, you all flame without thinking about what you're saying. Just let it be released and learn the culture before starting a war. :cool:
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AMEN my friend, AMEN!!
Ur answer is so good, im about to cry right now.
lmao.
 
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