Apple TV 3 Rumor

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by jcschlic, Feb 28, 2012.

  1. kolax macrumors G3

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    9to5Mac posted a rumour that there was two new products coming, one being an iPad 3 and the other being an updated Apple TV.

    I'm guessing the new Apple TV 3.5 will be 1080p capable, and the current Apple TV 3 given an OS update to support 1080p, since Apple has asked studios to submit their movies in 1080p.

    I really wish the Apple TV would get a hard drive again. Only reason I'm holding onto my original Apple TV..
     
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    You mean ATV2?
     
  4. kolax macrumors G3

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    Ah yeah. I forget the Apple TV "Take 2" was still classified as Apple TV 1, with only a firmware update.
     
  5. maturola macrumors 68040

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    The current ATV can't support 1080p it will overheat, so don't count on it. if they support 1080p (which i think they will), it will need a new hardware A5 at least.

    Also would not count on a harddrive either, form factor will possible go smaller so no really room for anything than flash in there, and making too large would increase the price too much.
     
  6. mstrze macrumors 68000

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    Yes, absolutely agree with this. The entire trend of what's been happening at Apple is to store your data in the cloud so actually having hard drive storage in the unit goes overwhelmingly against this continued movement. Increased flash memory? Sure, but not a hard drive or any 'permanent' storage.

    Kilamite might cringe, but even when I had the first gen ATV with HDD I never synced any movies /music...I only streamed from my iTunes computer. :cool:
     
  7. nfl46 macrumors 603

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    I bought the Apple TV2 last week (I was aware of the new announcement). What I'm doing is waiting.

    Most likely, the ATV3 will take a few months to jailbreak. I am going to buy the iPad 3 and WAIT on the ATV3 jailbreak to be released in a few months, then I'll just sell my ATV2 and use that money towards the new device.

    But if you don't depend on my jailbroken ATV, then pick up the ATV3 as soon as its available.
     
  8. chiefpavvy macrumors 6502a

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    Not surprised. ATV3 has been expected and rumored for some time now.

    I hope they keep everything about ATV2 and just upgrade the processor and perhaps a bit more storage (8GB is pretty meager if going 1080P) maybe 16GB on board at least.

    I love my ATV2's and will repurpose them to other rooms/areas and upgrade my main spots with ATV3's when they are available. Can't wait!

    EDIT: And no I don't want ATV1 style...maybe Apple could just get with the times and let you attach an external drive to that USB port. Much easier, and keeps the cost of the ATV very low ($99).
     
  9. mstrze, Feb 28, 2012
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    mstrze macrumors 68000

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    'Get with the times'? Are there tons of TV display products out there that are now allowing attached USB hard drives that weren't before?

    I think 'the times' are and will continue to be centered on the wireless streaming of media. If anything, perhaps a new ATV might add 3G or 4G service through a cell provider for those who want to truly 'cut the cable' and just pull their media from the cloud (with incorporation of video media to the cloud, of course.) One could then absolutely dump cable providers and rely on cell-provided broadband.
     
  10. dgalvan123 macrumors 6502a

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    I'd bet good money that doesn't happen (the current ATV2 getting an update that lets it play 1080p). For two reasons:

    1.From what I've heard the A4 chip (which the ATV2, the original iPad, and the iPhone 4 have) is limited in its ability to play 1080p at the bit rates that most of those videos are stored at. It might actually work, but not at Apple's claimed high quality standards.

    2. Even if 1080p COULD work on the ATV2, Apple would want its customers to purchase a new hardware device (the ATV3). It always uses new features that are limited to the new hardware (whether or not they need to be) in an effort to get consumers to upgrade. Examples:, Siri could run on iPhone 4, but Apple won't allow it, instead encouraging customers to upgrade to iPhone 4S. The iphone 3G could have recorded video with its camera, but Apple used that new feature to sell iPhone 3GS's. Apple could have updated the ATV1 to support Netflix streaming, but it didn't because it wanted people to buy the new ATV2's. Etc.)
     
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    I'm with Kilamite on desiring a local storage option again. Streaming everything is not the best answer for everyone. I differ from him on how it could be done though. Rather than building in a hard drive that can never be the right size for everyone (and we don't want to force a hard drive on those who happily stream), I suggest simply normalizing the USB port so that those wanting more storage could attach whatever level of storage they desire. Everyone would win that way but no one would get anything forced on them.

    Probably won't happen but it would make the little box even more desirable.
     
  12. maturola macrumors 68040

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    While you are correct, Apple had an history to take the "we know better" actitud, so they will do what they will most people want/need (E.J. 720P streaming (current), Physical keyboard, no CD media for OS update, I can keep going but you got the idea by now).
     
  13. lowonthe456 macrumors 6502

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    I'm super hopeful for a quick release of movies in the cloud. Even if its just ones I've bought through iTunes.
     
  14. superlatic macrumors regular

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    Would be nice if Apple added some kind of DLNA support, or any device such as their own branded external drive/new time capsule which can store an itunes library and let other apple devices access it.

    Its a royal pain in the backside having to have my computer switched on in order to enjoy itunes content.
     
  15. maturola macrumors 68040

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    agreed, this had been long overdue, Time capsule should be a stand alone iTunes server (I would still be using XBMC + NAS, due to Apple no ever supporting all formats, but still nice to have)
     
  16. mstrze macrumors 68000

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    I like the thought of this in general, but then your iTunes data would not be backed-up, as it would be in the case of using TC as originally intended. Maybe a TC with 2 drives? One being a backup drive and the other strictly for serving up files/media?
     
  17. HazyCloud macrumors 68030

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    I don't see this happening now that iCloud is being pushed by Apple. My Mac can be turned off and I can still access all of my content I have stored in iTunes. It seems Apple is gearing towards storing your iTunes library for you and you being able to access it anywhere you have an Internet connection.
     
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    Yes, I don't think Time Capsule is the answer but the concept is sound. For one reason, Time Capsule is a fixed size that is "too big" or "too small" for some individuals. I think the "centralized" iTunes server concept begs for flexible storage capacity. I would see it as more of an AEBS replacement to which one could connect whatever size (and volume) of storage one would desire, leaving Time Capsule to continue to function as a backup device. This would also (hopefully) motivate people to go with Raid 5 or similar solutions in which their media is also backed up.

    Time Capsule "as is" is hard capped storage that won't work for everyone, especially if people are going to start hoarding fat 1080p files in volume. I think the 1080p hoarder is heading for multibay devices like Drobo, Synology and similar. In my own case, I've got my eye on the Synology DS2411+ which would be heavy on the overkill for immediate needs but expandable by simply adding hard drives as needed.

    I do believe that 1080p collections will press for storage beyond 2-4, maybe even 8 bays. There's also talk of Apple rolling out lossless or high definition audio files (which are likely to be much bigger) and there is increasingly more ways to shoot home movies in 1080p which then needs a place for archiving.

    I don't see iCloud as a complete answer in lieu of personal storage. Why? Because the bandwidth gatekeeper trends are toward tier pricing and shrinking bandwidth caps. iCloud becomes very expensive in a future where the tiered pricing keeps rising and caps keep shrinking. We march toward an unchecked toll booth business that can raise tolls whenever it likes (knowing that it's "competition" for your business will simply raise their tolls too giving you nowhere to really go). iCloud as a complete solution only works if Apple can find a way to bypass the bandwidth gatekeepers so that our connection is directly to iCloud without having to use Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, Time Warner, Cablevision, etc pipes.
     
  19. maturola macrumors 68040

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    Nothing than an Simple USB3, eSata or any External port won't solve. ;)
     
  20. HobeSoundDarryl macrumors 603

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    Right, but then you have a requirement for Time Capsule with that port vs. a requirement for an AEBS with that port. I'm just not a fan of Apple deciding the right storage size for all. I'd favor an AEBS scenario so that those with big storage needs get what they want and those with small storage needs get what they want too.

    I feel the same way about the Apple TV rumor. I personally much prefer the local storage (hard drive) in version 1 over the stream-only decision for version 2. However, I think the best way to give us all what we want is NOT for Apple to roll out a version 3 with some Apple chosen hard drive capacity... but instead just normalize that USB port so that people can connect whatever level of local storage they desire (and those that are fine with streaming don't have to pay for any local storage). The version 1 jailbreak that made external hard drive attachment possible worked really well. I wish Apple would just build that into version 3.

    Either way though, I'd love to see a solid Apple solution to the long-term desire for a centralized iTunes server from which all household devices could draw. I'm surprised they haven't rolled this out yet as it would be a very appealing solution to everyone with multiple iTunes-dependent devices in homes with always limited (local) storage on those devices. I bet lots of iTunes-oriented households would buy one if it was Apple simple.
     
  21. Gjwilly macrumors 68030

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    Quite simply, yes.
    Many new DVD and Blu-Ray players now include USB ports and basic Internet streaming.
     
  22. maturola macrumors 68040

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    While i see your point, it doesn't line up the Apple "views", Phycal storage is dead to Apple. I doubt you even see a External port on any idevice, Apple want to have your Media on the Cloud, and stream form there, they are going to put the "iTunes Server" on the cloud and any device will access it, we are not there yet in term of bandwidth, but I believe that Apple is just making the road so when 802.11ac is ready it will just push it that way. ac should be on the next macs, and them down to the iOS devices next year.
     
  23. ronjon10 macrumors regular

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    Anyone think it'll have a camera for facetime and/or gesture remote capabilities?
     
  24. scupking macrumors 6502a

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    I think the new apple TV will have the same guts as the new iPad coming out.
     

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