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well, apple would have to start making machines and selling them initially at a loss, which i don't see happening.

that said, they could do a Wii type machine, with great graphics, but just not as good as PS3 or x360. i am sure alot of families would love this
 
It just isn't going to happen.
However the controller aspect is an issue. One USB port at the back doesn't really meet gaming requirements. IR is fine for a remote control, but not so hot for games. Bluetooth would be good though - but the AppleTV doesn't include it - however a USB bluetooth dongle might suffice (but seems a bit hacky to me, and not Apple's style).

Agreed. I don't quite understand why they didn't put bluetooth in. Wireless headphones for listening to music should have been a big enough reason, alone.
 
well, apple would have to start making machines and selling them initially at a loss, which i don't see happening.

that said, they could do a Wii type machine, with great graphics, but just not as good as PS3 or x360. i am sure alot of families would love this

Why buy a $299 AppleTV when they can just buy a $249 Wii?

Still talking about it....

So, I'll jump in....

I would like AppleTV to have a DVD drive and be compatible with all my XB360, XBox, Wii, Gamecube, PS2, Playstation, Dreamcast, Saturn, NeoGeoCD, TurboGrafx-CD, CD-i, and Sega CD games... and download games for all the other systems on the planet, including all handhelds - dating all the way back to Pong...
 
I see the Apple Video Game console being something more basic than the Wii which would be terrible. "Bad graphics but fun" is not going to last very long. I'll still be going for my Playstation games while the Atari 2600, I mean Apple Genisis is under developement.

I know companies have these dreams of everything in a house is going to be branded by them, but I like a little variety.
 
"Bad graphics but fun" is not going to last very long.

You'd be surprised. Wii sports appeals to people that would never otherwise pick up a game controller. It is fun, and I've sold at least 5 Wii's for Nintendo just by having people over our house, letting them play, and 15 minutes later they're saying, how much is this again? Only $250? I gotta get me one of these...

Invariably, its the Wii sports that is selling them on it, and when they learn that one is free, they are simply amazed.
 
Making it a games machine may make more sense than what it is at the moment. I can't see the point in the apple TV- I reallly did want one but It was much cheaper to buy a cable and plug it into my hifi. Now I can pipe itunes to my stereo. Sorry apple but the apple TV seems to be rather pointless-for me it needs a DVD player to make to make it justifiable otherwise its another box next to my foxtel, hard drive recorder and tuner.
 
Could the game not be run on your Mac, use its power and graphics card then operated and displayed remotely via AppleTV in the living room? Like VNC or something.

It certainly wouldn't use the Mac's graphics card. But if apple ever gets Quartz2Dextreme working in a stable way, it could potentially stream an interface directly from the computer to the AppleTV (assuming the AppleTVs graphics card is able to handle Q2Dextreme).

However, highly complex graphics games use a fair bit of bandwidth, AND networking will have a delay to it. Perhaps if the graphics requirements are fully separated from the computing requirements (as Q2DExtreme attempts)... but I have my doubts.

I had a bit of an out there thought.... I was thinking that one of the secrets to Leopard could be a new gaming environment. This turns every mac (prob intel only) into a gaming station. This would instantly put a gaming pltform into the hands of millions of Apple users. The :apple: TV will provide the link to your Television and a Wireless Controllers will be used over your home network. This would be great added marketing for Leopard and also the :apple: TV
The 'top secret' features of Leopard will be interesting. I'm betting on the remote interface Claymore asked about - I'm not so sure about a gaming environment though.

*** Does Apple need games?
I'm in 2 minds about Apple focusing on games. My first thought is "too difficult - they need to stay clear". However, like it or not, people are looking at their living room and for their entertainment needs are (to some degree) comparing AppleTV/Xbox360/PS3/Wii/TiVo etc. Add games, and DVR, to AppleTV and what a machine!... oh, wait, it's missing BluRay/HD DVD... There are quite large differentiators at the moment as multiple environments converge. How does Apple want to play its game?

*** What about CoreAnimation and Interactivity?
Interactivity and virtual interfaces are going to be huge, and that might be the biggest reason for Apple to get involved with games (develop their background technology). Games machines are creating virtual worlds and have a head start in interactive environments.

Rather than imagine games - imagine TV game shows with full interactivity so you can play along. Apple will, of course, have CoreAnimation and this is much more important than most people realise. I wonder how they plan on letting us interact with computers and the AppleTV - is it the same as they've demonstrated?

*** How would Apple get into games?
It's all far too expensive I think, for Apple to compete with MS/Sony/Nintendo. They CAN do the basic stuff as many people have said and that'll be enough in some ways. Playing chess, or risk, with family remotely doesn't require much processing power. I'm sure they could include an emulator for old AppleII games & DOS games with little effort.

Getting big games takes far more. If they want that - perhaps they could become a huge supporter of an open API for gaming - so developers write games once for Mac/Windows/Linux? (does such an API already exist and need some big names supporting it?).
 
Although it would be quite interesting to see what kind of Gaming system could offer (regardless off the Pippin which I mentioned in an earlier post) it would be nearly impossbile for them to get anyone to write software for the system. Unless Apple wrote all its own software which would be fairly difficult it would be hard to get reputable companies to write for the :apple:TV "Gaming Edition." The market is already saturated with video game systems and this would make it very hard for Apple to gain market share which inturn would lead to better software. In a bit of a Catch-22 just like it is for other systems that try and make it.
 
Games would be cool but Video IN is much more important

Apple already has a great gaming platform - the Mac. If would be really cool if they were to use :apple: TV as a means for getting games running on a Mac to play remotely on HD TVs.

However I think that :apple: TV is going to be hurt by consumers who are confused by the lack of video In to stream TV content to their computers. Even without controllers and fancy DVR features this may be something the consumer expects to have as a feature when they see the name of the product.

Just a simple stream of whatever is currently displayed on your TV into Quicktime Player or iTunes is all that is needed for now. Nothing needs to be stored in the :apple: TV itself.

Once the basic capability is there, DVR features could be added later within iTunes. No need to add DVR features though if you they want to avoid irritating content providers such as movie studios.

Add both remote gaming and video In features and Apple would have a much more appealing product.
 
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What kind of processing power does the iTV pack? Apple says "Intel processor," but which one and at which speed? Would it use wifi controllers? This sounds like a lame-o rumor to me. Unless there's something I don't know, it seems unlikely that the iTV would be a serious gaming platform. A TV appliance with some gaming capabilities, sure. But a full-fledged system? Probably not. Not YET, anyway. I could see Apple releasing a gaming system that would put the Xbox 360 to shame. But they would need the backing of several game companies before they moved forward. I like the much-mentioned and rumored potential partnership with Nintendo. . . . Seems like a good idea.

We shall see. . .
 
I think Apple would be spreading themselves too thin if they entered into this market. Computers, fine - MP3 players, fine - STBs, fine - phones, sure, give it a go - but gaming as well? On the one hand it would be in alignment with Apple's new corporate name and implied direction, however as a company Apple can only do so much - or more specifically, can only do so much and do it well. :cool:

People said the same of Apple when they only sold computers, and they wished to enter the MP3 player, and TV Content, and cell phone svcs LATE..... they seem to be holding up pretty well to me!

They'll just need to stick to their P's and Q's, and offer something different, or more functional than what's already offered.

Can I get paid for my ideas....?
 
People said the same of Apple when they only sold computers, and they wished to enter the MP3 player, and TV Content, and cell phone svcs LATE..... they seem to be holding up pretty well to me!

I'm all for Apple growing and expanding, but at some point a company reaches its limit. There's a tipping point when required effort and resources along with sheer quantity begins to impact quality. :cool:

Can I get paid for my ideas....?

Only if they're good ones. :p ;)
 
I'm all for Apple growing and expanding, but at some point a company reaches its limit. There's a tipping point when required effort and resources along with sheer quantity begins to impact quality.
Configurations of companies have sweet spots in size for how well they operate. Same goes for number of products etc. As Apple grows, it will have to adjust how it does what it does, if it wants to continue to do it well.

An example is that Apple has done a great job of integrated development of iPod/iTunes/iTS etc, but at some point will have to be careful of advances in each product being dependent on other products, a small problem in one can delay another etc.
 
Configurations of companies have sweet spots in size for how well they operate. Same goes for number of products etc. As Apple grows, it will have to adjust how it does what it does, if it wants to continue to do it well.

An example is that Apple has done a great job of integrated development of iPod/iTunes/iTS etc, but at some point will have to be careful of advances in each product being dependent on other products, a small problem in one can delay another etc.

Completely agree, well said. And again, I'm not saying Apple can't succeed in this manner, but as you state they will definitely need to adapt and refine their processes if elements such as QC, product release timelines and the like are to be maintained in an acceptable manner. :cool:
 
This is the most ridiculous rumor I've ever heard. Apple can't even get it's mainstream computers to be good at game play, and somehow the AppleTV is all of a sudden going to become a console gaming platform? NOT!

I don't know who makes this stuff up... and if an analyst said this, they should be fired. The AppleTV is a strreaming box, nothing more, with maybe some added functionality here and there and maybe a game of solitaire or Tetris. But a gaming console? Ha.a.a.a
 
This is the most ridiculous rumor I've ever heard. Apple can't even get it's mainstream computers to be good at game play, and somehow the AppleTV is all of a sudden going to become a console gaming platform? NOT!

I don't know who makes this stuff up... and if an analyst said this, they should be fired. The AppleTV is a strreaming box, nothing more, with maybe some added functionality here and there and maybe a game of solitaire or Tetris. But a gaming console? Ha.a.a.a

Apple's top end machines can handle desktop games just fine when dual booting Windows. The software just isn't developed for OS X because of its small market share. Otherwise Mac hardware is pretty competant at everything that doesn't require DirectX 10 GPU's, which currently are not supported by the Mac Pro.

You say this as though Apple was trying desperately to make their computers more gaming proficient. The only reason they created boot camp was so that their systems can expand their software support beyond OS X, and thus be more desireable to a wider range of users, not suddenly become everyone's shiny new extreme gaming device. It's for productivity and workhorse expansion. Since CAD programs are nearly non-existent on Macs, I can use a Mac Pro and handle any CAD program I want with Windows.

I don't believe that Apple will bother making a gaming machine. It's a market segment that just doesn't seem to be up Apple's alley, and this is the area where the hardware can suffer major losses if the content (games) aren't up to snuff. No way Jose.
 
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