Apple TV Subtitles (homesharing)

Discussion in 'Apple TV and Home Theater' started by apro, Oct 20, 2013.

  1. apro macrumors newbie

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    Hi!

    I got a imac 21,5 and apple tv for a few months ago.

    Zero problems until now I noticed that the Itunes have problems with some file formats.. im trying to get a home sharing with iTunes and it works so far fine with mp4. When I drag the file to VLC I can choose subs but not in iTunes.
    When I play the movie in iTunes so I can not see any text or can't find a menu to play the embedded text. Same thing in the APPLE TV with home sharing.

    I have Googled but only get up to HOW to convert or make your own embedded texts, not how to see movies with embedded text.

    I don't want to play movies over the airplay!
    (embedded text = soft subtitles ?)
     
  2. priitv8 macrumors 68020

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    It's a callout-bubble-like icon on media controls bar:
    [​IMG]
    PS Are you sure the tracks have correct formatting? How did you add the soft subs to your movie?

    See also: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5562
     
  3. apro thread starter macrumors newbie

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    no bubble in itunes. same in Apple TV when i push the enter button, no menu for language and audio.

    the video was already embedded with text. works great with VLC but not quicktime and iTunes.. Wrong embedded text file format?

    everything other works great..
     
  4. priitv8 macrumors 68020

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    Probably. Take the Subler and see what tracks does it come up with.
    Might be your movie contains e.g bitmapped subs, QuickTime (ie iTunes, :apple:TV et al) expects to see only plain-text subs (3GPP Timed Text).
    See also: http://www.bitfield.se/isubtitle/about_subtitles.html
    PS Subler is able to convert both DVD and BluRay bitmapped subs into text subs.
     
  5. apro thread starter macrumors newbie

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    tx3g was the subtitle format when i use isubler, they say, "nothing to see here". so basically i just take a video and a .srt file from the other place ----> isubler ----> itunes ---> homesharing ----> apple tv will show the subs?
     
  6. priitv8 macrumors 68020

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    Where did you see "nothing to see here"?
    In Subler, I can at least change the subtitle size & position:
    [​IMG]
    If the track is correctly muxed into mp4 file (you may also try to change file extension from mp4 to m4v), you shall see it everywhere in QuickTime playback (that includes iTunes, :apple:TV, iPhone and iPad).
     
  7. apro thread starter macrumors newbie

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    First pic, a video with embedded text in.
    second, a video with .srt that i opened together in a same name

    edit: im going to check the Isubtitles.. ( why i cant use mp4? itunes and apple tv supports mp4..)
     

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  8. Ritsuka macrumors 6502a

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    The issue is you got a tx3g track, but with the wrong "handler". a track in mp4 is defined by a fourcc (codec name) and a handler. Your subtitled track has got a "text" handle, to make it compatible with iTunes you need to change it to a subtitle handler. It's not too hard, you just need open the file with dumpster or atom inspector and change the name in the hdlr atom if you know how to.

    Subler converts the srt to tx3g and set the right handler automatically btw.
     
  9. priitv8, Oct 20, 2013
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    priitv8 macrumors 68020

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    Another, slightly easier approach, would be to export the track from Subler (it will export as SRT file, just the tricky question is whether it will allow you to). Then delete this text track from mp4 file and re-import using Subler, your exported file.

    PS m4v is iTunes' preferred file extension (seems to be pirmarily for DRM and non-standard handling of AC3 track, reasons. See references below.), you just need to change file extension, no need to convert anything.

    http://www.winxdvd.com/resource/why-handbrake-saves-dvd-to-m4v-not-mp4.htm
    http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=441377
    http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-mp4-and-m4v/

    PPS on your second pic - even if the subtitle track is OK in this movie, it won't appear on screen, because it's rendered in a box with dimensions of 0x0 pixels! Try to change it's size and position values.
    iSubtitle will allow you to adjust the subtitle size, Subler usually does it automatically, based on frame size. Did you explicitly import the SRT file (File menu or [+] button on toolbar)?
     
  10. Ritsuka macrumors 6502a

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    His Subler screenshot show 0x0 size because he did not hit save, the subtitle track is not muxed yet.

    And QuickTime X and iTunes ignores the track size, so it could stay 0 (even if it won't) and still works.
     
  11. roverma macrumors member

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    Subler

    In subler in the subtitletrack change forced to "force some samples" - save and then fill in the subtitle tracknr ( 3 in the above sample) save and now you will see the "bubble" in iTunes
     
  12. HERO XXL macrumors regular

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    I think I may be in the same boat--only you may be further down the line than I am--can anyone offer any assistance?
    My movies are in the MP4 format, but they also have srt. files in the folders as well--these movies do nothing when I drag them into iTunes, while the ones without the srt files are allowed to be shown on my Apple TV. Will this "subler" program allow me to format and then view these files on my Apple TV?
     
  13. Ritsuka macrumors 6502a

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    Yes, I created Subler specifically to add subtitles viewable on the AppleTV.
     
  14. apro thread starter macrumors newbie

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    ****, now I can see the subs :D so awesome with the all info about movies. thanks:D:D:D:D
     

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