I wouldn't go that far... tho my box does have XP Pro, Ubu & "OS X" playing quite nicely together... Can't say I got the box from Apple tho..
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You DO realize OS X on "your box" is illegal unless it's an Intel Mac don't you?
Very few in any, digital devices include cables other than RCAs. Some will include an HDMI cable but not an HDMI AND component and those are DVD players trying to get your business. Otherwise why fault Apple for doing what everyone else does- not include high end cables?
As for cables, knowing monoprice.com makes all uneasiness about buying cables goes away. Nowhere will you find their prices or quality/value.
As for cables, knowing monoprice.com makes all uneasiness about buying cables goes away. Nowhere will you find their prices or quality/value.
hello, when you buy any kind of cable in bulk in asia you are paying a fraction of what retail costs! a 40 shirt at macys cost them a 3-5 to produce in china. so yes, it would add very little to their cost to include these. i happen to have a closet full of cables but i am not joe average.
I completely agree. It would be nice if we could 'Digg' comments
. I'm so tired of all of the PC switchers bitching that all of these lame ass codecs aren't supported. Why would people care about these codecs if they can just rip their legally purchased material into a supported codec? Oh that's right, because they want to be able to play all of their torrent files.
a great looking product as always. but like i have said before, its over priced and not exactly a new technology.
But Apple still has to buy them from suppliers. And it isn't only manufacturing costs, anyway - some of the materials are expensive. I said $100 for all the cables normal, if Apple saves half by buying in bulk, $50. Too expensive!
Ethernet cables would be the cheapest. Optical cables could run quite expensive. Plus, theater cables will be of all different lengths anyway!
I completely agree. It would be nice if we could 'Digg' comments
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OK! all apple lemings now stand in a row and march off the cliff! we lame pc switchers (we must be real stupid) will stand by and watch!
Not sure what the situation is now, but Leopard will be adding a fair amount of Closed Captioning support, especially into Quicktime. Not too much longer to wait and hopefully the playing field will be levelled for you my friend.
Don't speak for PC switchers as a whole! I happen to be one - I already hated Windows, and I just happened to see a Mac in action, and voila!
I think that the AppleTV is a pretty good product. Let me compare the negatives to the iPod:
Other products do the same thing, with more features - Well, the iPod also had competitors which had more features. It STILL has competitors with more features. These competitors often cost LESS! But, the iPod is the simplest to use. iTunes works perfectly (usually), and iPod syncs effortlessly. It is this smoothness that makes the iPod popular, and so good. The AppleTV also has competitors which do more for (sometimes) less, but the AppleTV does it the nicest, and is supposed to work effortlessly.
Here's what's in the box for the slingbox pro :
http://us.slingmedia.com/page/boxcontents.html
1 SlingBox PRO
1 SlingPlayer CD ROM
1 AC Adapter (100-240V 50-60Hz)
1 Ethernet Cable
1 Quick Start Guide
1 Composite AV Cable
1 Stereo Audio Cable
1 S-Video Cable
1 Remote Control IR Cable
1 RF/Coax Cable
TheTV is designed for wireless so it doesn't need ethernet cable included.
The slingbox does NOT include HDMI OR Component cables which the
The slingbox does NOT include a Toslink Optical cable.
We're comparing Cadillacs to Harley Davidsons here... You can't really compare Apple TV and a Slingbox. IMPO if you did, Apple would fall short when it comes to features and inovation (not the point). TOTALLY DIFFERENT PRODUCTS WITH DIFFERENT FUNCTIONS.
I understand Apple's logic in not including 3 or 4 types of cords in a box. They want to keep the packaging simple. Unfortunately, if you live out in the middle of nowhere (miles from a Best Buy, Apple Store, or Circuit City), you are probably looking at another week before you are up and running, which is very possible if you don't read the fine print.
The other problem is LENGTH. If people aren't complaining about the lack of a cord, they will bitch about the cord only being 3 foot long or something. That is one of the problems I actually had with Slingbox. I had to get a slightly longer ethernet cord to connect my router.
If anybody actually finds a solution to use Slingbox WITH Apple TV, I think that would be a WIN WIN... No more complaining about the cord (or lack there of).
Yeah it would've been nice if they'd supported more codecs.. From my Pov anyway, I have a dvd player which plays xvid and divX (as many, many do), so I've burnt a lot of stuff over the last couple of years in those formats (from my macs). Its a shame to have to reencode stuff again if i want them to play on TV
People are doing it again.. Getting all tribal.. About.. Codecs of all things. From the end user perspective it'd be nice if apple gave more options.. But I can understand why it's not as good an idea from a profit perspective for Apple.. They can't claim it makes it any easier to use or benefits the user by cutting out support for standards in this case.
It'd be a better device for a lot of people (not just pirates) with more codec support, but that doesn't mean it's not a good device now.. Just.. a weird one.
TVPeople are doing it again.. Getting all tribal.. About.. Codecs of all things. From the end user perspective it'd be nice if apple gave more options.. But I can understand why it's not as good an idea from a profit perspective for Apple.. They can't claim it makes it any easier to use or benefits the user by cutting out support for standards in this case.
It'd be a better device for a lot of people (not just pirates) with more codec support, but that doesn't mean it's not a good device now.. Just.. a weird one.
AppleTV - Running Leopard?
I haven't read the Walt Mossberg review yet, but I hear that he mentions the AppleTV runs OS X. If you look at the settings preview on the AppleTV page (http://www.apple.com/appletv/tour.html)
you can clearly see that the screen saver was made using Core Animation. AppleTV running leopard?
Anyone care to correct me?
I haven't read the Walt Mossberg review yet, but I hear that he mentions the AppleTV runs OS X. If you look at the settings preview on the AppleTV page (http://www.apple.com/appletv/tour.html)
you can clearly see that the screen saver was made using Core Animation. AppleTV running leopard?
Anyone care to correct me?
i think one of the most beautiful things about the mac (and appletv) (and ipod) are their limitations. they have a focus and clarity to their use and design that is in clear and relieving in contrast to the scattergun approach of competitors.
the ability to play every bastardised video codec out there would not be a benefit to me, or 95% of the people out here in the real world, whereas the limitting of the codecs allows apple to provide a consistent, trouble free environment to enjoy my movies/music/tv shows. and i think, that is the aim of apple with this product.
(and you can of course, transcode any dodgey divx/avi material easily and for free with a product like iSquint)
the ability to play every bastardised video codec out there would not be a benefit to me, or 95% of the people out here in the real world, whereas the limitting of the codecs allows apple to provide a consistent, trouble free environment to enjoy my movies/music/tv shows. and i think, that is the aim of apple with this product.
(and you can of course, transcode any dodgey divx/avi material easily and for free with a product like iSquint)
OK! So when do we get to see pictures of the insides, looking for some true geek porn.
It'll be very interesting to see whats on the HDD itself, when it is removed and connected to a Mac.
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It'll be very interesting to see whats on the HDD itself, when it is removed and connected to a Mac.
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No, the AppleTV is most likely NOT running Leopard. It COULD be running a very stripped-down OSX that includes Leopard components. But, not likely that it is running Leopard itself. Most likely, it includes basic input/output components (for remote), ethernet components, bonjour frameworks, graphics frameworks, and CoreAnimation.
I agree entirely.
No, the AppleTV is most likely NOT running Leopard. It COULD be running a very stripped-down OSX that includes Leopard components. But, not likely that it is running Leopard itself. Most likely, it includes basic input/output components (for remote), ethernet components, bonjour frameworks, graphics frameworks, and CoreAnimation.
So the
I've lost all faith
The "more codecs please" crowd are well aware of the Apple mindset, and how the limitations it imposes are often good for consumers.
Adding more codec support would *not* in any way effect the .h264 support, or the function of the device. Who knows how many people have divX/xvid encoded stuff? I have lots of it from eyeTV, as I'd imagine do thousands of other people.
More codecs wouldn't make the device any worse, and wouldn't affect the device's successfulness. They wouldn't even probably impact on the itunes media sales - All its absense is doing is meaning a lot of people have to spend ages re-encoding stuff.. Which is fair, but.. a bit annoying for those who have to do it. How would supporting more codecs make it harder to use? All it has to do it play media fer chrissakes.
I appreciate theTV and see it as a good product, it's just a terribly inconvenient one for a large number of people who'd otherwise appreciate it more. I'd still be interested it buying one.. maybe. One day.
Adding more codec support would *not* in any way effect the .h264 support, or the function of the device. Who knows how many people have divX/xvid encoded stuff? I have lots of it from eyeTV, as I'd imagine do thousands of other people.
Saying 95% of people don't need to do it so the 5% should stop moaning is great and all, but those 5% are still the "real world", and important. Mac users are only 5% of the computer scene and we still manage to pick apart and come up with problems in everything.
More codecs wouldn't make the device any worse, and wouldn't affect the device's successfulness. They wouldn't even probably impact on the itunes media sales - All its absense is doing is meaning a lot of people have to spend ages re-encoding stuff.. Which is fair, but.. a bit annoying for those who have to do it. How would supporting more codecs make it harder to use? All it has to do it play media fer chrissakes.
I appreciate the
TV and see it as a good product, it's just a terribly inconvenient one for a large number of people who'd otherwise appreciate it more. I'd still be interested it buying one.. maybe. One day.
Just got home from my store, no apple tvs, some of the employees seemed confused by my question.
Let's Be Adults
I can't believe how fast and furious the euphemisms fly on this board...
We are all adults...can't we just say "it doesn't support enough of the video I've stolen"?
Or maybe people are actually just encoding their home movies and DVDs that they already own in six or seven different formats.
I can't believe how fast and furious the euphemisms fly on this board...
We are all adults...can't we just say "it doesn't support enough of the video I've stolen"?
Or maybe people are actually just encoding their home movies and DVDs that they already own in six or seven different formats.
Yum.....hopefully my HDTV, which has been having some picture problems recently, will hold out with the solution I did(sent the color options around) so I can have a TV for the TV...if the HDTV holds out unti Sat/Fri I'll go try and pick up an AppleTV from my local Apple store
Dam....it "unfixed" itself....well its shot.
TV...if the HDTV holds out unti Sat/Fri I'll go try and pick up an AppleTV from my local Apple storeDam....it "unfixed" itself....well its shot.
Question: How do you delete stuff from an iPod?
Answer: Just like an iPod, the Apple TV synchronizes with your computer. That includes removing content that shouldn't be on there.
this would make the device worse. it opens up channels for content that apple cannot control. media files that need the new version of a codec, or avi wrappers over divx files. it is ridiculously complicated out there in video codec land, and would open up a cornucopia of headaches (which i think most of us have been through) and i wouldn't wish that on consumers.
narrowing the output of the media also narrows the input. makes it clean. makes it simple.
i know it is easy for most of us here to work through an issue with an odd media file, be it codec or corruption, but for most everybody else, (and this is very much a consumer device) they expect the device to just work.
mixel, i understand your frustrations, and perhaps i can be too flippant because i don't have that much transcoding to do, but i think apple got this one right (again).