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What about the Beats Studio3? If I plug it to a MacBook Pro directly into the headphone jack (no Lightning BS), will it play lossless audio?



I'm guessing Lightning is not capable of providing the necessary bitrate.
Hmm plz cirrect me if I'm not misstaken lighning gas a maximum bandwidth of 10Gbps, so that should not be an issue
 
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Oh deary me… how are they confusing sample rate and bit rate with DAC… just for the record, lossy/lossless audio is a result of the encoding method ie mp3 hacks off data above 20kHz and below 20Hz in the audio spectrum to keep file sizes small making it lossy -
Wav does not it’s a pure pcm like for like if the recording but can’t offer tagging abilities like AIFF can,

ALAC/FLAC is a form of compressed lossless audio witch uncompresses the file each time it’s played keeping the file size a bit smaller but maintains lossless playback.

44.100/16 is CD standard quality audio 48.000 originates from DAT tapes and was a piracy countermeasure.

Streaming hi def audio is about as reliable as dynamic resolution on consoles, bit rate will fluctuate according to internet speeds and ISP.

You want solid lossless audio? Buy it don’t stream it. Also be aware that in order to fully appreciate it your amp n speakers need to be up to the task ;)
 
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Sounds like Apple hardware spec is topnotch, as always... 🤣
No wonder they are offering lossless for free, they don't offer a decent way to listen to it heh
Which means there is no way to milk customers, yet.
Someday, when they find a way, they will request the dollars.
 
I'm guessing Lightning is not capable of providing the necessary bitrate.

I'm guessing Lightning is not capable of providing the necessary bitrate.

Although Apple evidently has not posted full specifications, several websites have reported that it supports 480 Mbps. My highest bitrate track in iTunes runs 61212 kbps, or just 61.212 Mbps. DSD 256 is just under 23 Mbps. [There are varying numbers, but all are well under the 480 Mbps bandwidth].

The only place for me lossless makes a difference us through my Denon receiver, nad amp powering my jbl studio 590 speakers in a sound treated room. I use the HeOS app in my Denon to directly stream lossless audio from tidal. Apple Music is not even supported through HeOS. I have to use airplay to play Apple Music through my Denon. Currently I am able to airplay even 24 bit 192khz music through airplay from my Mac mini to the Denon. Not sure if there is a conversion going on he aside the Denon won’t tell me what the sample rate it is receiving is.

Unfortunately I think it is converted. When airplaying from my iMac to a Marantz Roon shows that the it is converted to 44.1/16. Looks like an AirPlay 2 restriction.

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Today they announced that Homepods will gain lossless support in the future. Assuming that this is an airplay change, hopefully it means that other devices, such as your Denon, will gain support as well.
 
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This entire rollout makes no sense to me. They’re making a big deal out of it, while at the same time admitting it is “virtually indistinguishable” from lossy format, and most of their devices dont even support it. It just seems very stupid. I know there’s zero chance I could ever tell the difference
Streamed variable quality lossless audio which changes according to your data speeds basically- think Netflix with a crap connection - my money is on that being the caveat to head off any advertising class action
 
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You mean like this? https://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/02/411473508/how-well-can-you-hear-audio-quality

Or this? http://abx.digitalfeed.net/

Once through the NPR test isn’t sufficient. I recommend people do all of the songs 30 times to have some sort of reliability in telling the difference. If someone is right 2/3+ of the time on average (6 song clips, each one is repeated x3 for different levels of bit rates, repeated 30 times), then I’ll start to believe someone might be able to hear the difference. Ideally this test is run by an independent third party for verification.
No need for that. Just find a good section of any music with well recorded cymbals, play on a nice system, and anyone can tell the difference. The trick is knowing what to look for while hearing. Any instruments that sounds in these <kHz will be an easy tell. Classical guitar pucks, harmonics of violins, percussion.

My 8 years old kef ls50 + nad d3020 (less expensive than 3 airpod max) easily bring out the difference. Althought it´s capable of playing 24/192, I could never tell the difference between that and 16/44. Theres a little tiny diference on 24bits tho.
 
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Ridiculous how people are being so dramatic here. The added feature of lossless audio costs nobody one red cent extra on their monthly Apple Music subscription and anyone who TRULY cares will have high-end audio equipment (including headphones) to actually hear lossless. It's comical beyond belief how people here act like Apple is ruining their lives by adding this feature that doesn't support their current Apple devices. Apple Music works on everything else non-Apple such as high-end headphones like Grado, which is what a person who truly cares about lossless will be using to hear it. Stop the silly drama here. Get over it.
 
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That is a good point it’s called competition. Spotify, tidal, Amazon are offering it, so Apple Music has to too. Most people can not tell the difference and even those who say they can get fooled in a blind test. Most music is in the under 12khz range. Think you can, download a tone generator app, and see where you can’t hear anymore, plus recall how many instruments you know that play at the higher frequencies- none
It is not that black or white. In those higher frequencies harmonics have a big impact on the sound even if you can hear frequencies above 17khz like me
 
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Sorry for deraiing this a bit, but shouldn't it be ighningto 3.5 mm direction of signal ), yes i know it's a cirquit but it deffinetly not an input
Maybe, I always get confused which way it’s supposed to go. But intuitively I would think it goes from source (3.5mm port on device) to output (lightning port on APM).
 
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Basically Apple is saying that technically nothing is truly lossless because once you try to convert the digital signal to analog there is always going to be some minimal, probably imperceivable, loss somewhere. Even running along the cable there might be something. Also your speakers are not able to recreate the sound 100% as expected. Plus the air in your room will impact the sound hitting your ears, reflecting off surfaces, absorbed by furniture, etc.
That’s not what lossless means. It means the source digital data is unaltered when fed to the DAC.
 
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Streaming hi def audio is about as reliable as dynamic resolution on consoles, bit rate will fluctuate according to internet speeds and ISP.
Streaming is not like a traditional radio or linear TV in real time. Streaming actually downloads the title and plays that back while buffering. AFAIK. Apple music pre-loads the whole title after playback started.

It might just add additional cost or throttling when on a mobile network with data cap.
 
Streaming is not like a traditional radio or linear TV in real time. Streaming actually downloads the title and plays that back while buffering. AFAIK. Apple music pre-loads the whole title after playback started.

It might just add additional cost or throttling when on a mobile network with data cap.
Exactly, there are no multi streams with different bitrate, like with video streaming. And even with a 24 bit 192 KHz ALAC you would only need maybe around 7 Mbit connection.
 
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I get that, but your example was a calculated decision by Jobs.

This doesn’t make any sense, the primary job of the Max’s is to play audio at a higher quality than the buds. You would expect them to be able to play Apple’s highest quality audio format.
So, the only difference between mistakes made before and after he died was that before, they were planned and calculated? Before they were “intentional” mistakes, now, just regular old mistakes? :)
 
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The vast majority of people are unable to discern AAC 256 (Apple's standard format) vs. lossless. Those who claim they can should do a proper ABX test to figure out if they actually can. It is unlikely, but possible though, since the lossy format does transform the audio signal in potentially perceptible ways.

Nobody can perceive the difference between 44kHz vs. anything higher, so "Hi-Resolution" audio with higher sampling-rates (e.g. 96-192kHz) is completely useless for playback purposes. At worst, it can actually be detrimental since most audio setups are not designed to handle the ultrasonic part of the signal properly, potentially causing audible distortions during playback.
I get what you saying. I’m just glad I can hear music even if it’s not the tiny details ☺️
 
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