Apple TV's Universal Search Gains Support for Comedy Central, MTV and VH1

[sinsin07]

Ripping DVDs is not illegal. But content owners made sure to lobby for laws that says breaking the encryption on those DVDs are.

And I am not speculating when it comes to this specific site and subject. It is an oft repeated reason. Apple is not going to jeopardize their tenuous relationship with content owners to satisfy rippers.... Which frankly make up a tiny percentage of the digital streaming market.

More assumptions. "Oft repeated reason" is not proof of this:

Whenever this subject comes up it mostly has to do with people wanting Apple to support illegally sourced content they have loaded on their iTunes library.

That's what you call anecdotal.
When you have links with proof of your claims post them.

The lions share of the market are those that stream only.

For this to be true you would need two pieces of information for proof:
The number of people in the world who listen to music or watch video on a device, be it music player, radio, TV, tablet, computer, etc. and do not have a streaming subscription.
The number of people who do have streaming subscriptions in the world.

Moving on, your reasoning is unsound. What about the music library that people have acculmalated from iTunes purchases over the years. That is not searchable by Siri and people are asking for that also. That music library is legal wouldn't you say?

And in that article you just shown how difficult it would be to implement. Impossible? No, but difficult.

Its nor clear or not whether you are aware that right now, a person can use Plex to search my local library without using voice search on Apple TV.
The difficulty does not appear to be in using the local database, but rather storing a person's local database in the cloud.
By Plex's own admission they are using a local database on your local machine to do the search.
They appear to be adverse to storing your local database information in the cloud and would have to ask user permission first with an opt out option if they went that route.
iTunes also has a local database copy of your music and movies.
It appears what users are requesting is Siri search that local database.

On side note going back to this comment:

Whenever this subject comes up it mostly has to do with people wanting Apple to support illegally sourced content they have loaded on their iTunes library.

Hasn't this already happened with peoples Napster music files and Apple Music Match which matched those songs in the cloud?

 

[KazKam]

Streaming a 5gb movie is nothing.

But it IS something to myself and many others because of data caps, low bandwidth, and/or a crappy ISP. I download the movies and music I PURCHASE from Apple/iTunes Store so that I don't have to stream them (yes, along with many DVDs/BluRays I've ripped, that I own, under what I consider "fair use", my conscience is clear). I download them because I want to watch them regardless of when my internet goes down, or is throttled, or is just not performing well, or in the evenings when everyone's streaming. I don't want my unreliable internet connection to determine when I can and can't watch content I already paid for and downloaded.

 

[sinsin07]

Explain how that will work when Siri only searches the web and the device it is on? Siri does not log into devices on your network and search for files.

Explain how Plex can do it, then you will have your answer.

 

[2010mini]

More assumptions. "Oft repeated reason" is not proof of this:

That's what you call anecdotal.
When you have links with proof of your claims post them.

For this to be true you would need two pieces of information for proof:
The number of people in the world who listen to music or watch video on a device, be it music player, radio, TV, tablet, computer, etc. and do not have a streaming subscription.
The number of people who do have streaming subscriptions in the world.

Moving on, your reasoning is unsound. What about the music library that people have acculmalated from iTunes purchases over the years. That is not searchable by Siri and people are asking for that also. That music library is legal wouldn't you say?

Its nor clear or not whether you are aware that right now, a person can use Plex to search my local library without using voice search on Apple TV.
The difficulty does not appear to be in using the local database, but rather storing a person's local database in the cloud.
By Plex's own admission they are using a local database on your local machine to do the search.
They appear to be adverse to storing your local database information in the cloud and would have to ask user permission first with an opt out option if they went that route.
iTunes also has a local database copy of your music and movies.
It appears what users are requesting is Siri search that local database.

On side note going back to this comment:

Hasn't this already happened with peoples Napster music files and Apple Music Match which matched those songs in the cloud?

Music matching is possible because it is allowed.

Movies/TV shows matching are not by the content owners. The closest you will get to this is the disc to digital program where you are locked into UV's digital locker. They will never allow you to rip a DVD and match it on their servers.

Plex has no ties to content owners or distributors. Apple does.

 

[sinsin07]

Music matching is possible because it is allowed.

Movies/TV shows matching are not by the content owners. The closest you will get to this is the disc to digital program where you are locked into UV's digital locker. They will never allow you to rip a DVD and match it on their servers.

Plex has no ties to content owners or distributors. Apple does.

Music matching is possible because it is allowed.

Movies/TV shows matching are not by the content owners. The closest you will get to this is the disc to digital program where you are locked into UV's digital locker. They will never allow you to rip a DVD and match it on their servers.

Plex has no ties to content owners or distributors. Apple does.

Don't evade.
The music match was brought about because of your absurd comment about illegally sourced material.
(It would appear Apple has allowed illegally sourced content to be sourced legally.)

No one is asking for Movie/TV match in this thread.

They are asking for universal search for their locally sourced content.
Their is no proof that this would jeopardize "Apple's" relationship with Hollywood.

If this was an issue why isn't Plex running into legal action?

It is not about what you "think" the reason is people want universal search on their local content.
It is about users wanting a better, (for them), search method for their local content in iTunes.

 

[ipedro]

Apple also added "watch [tv channel]" Siri command to show live tv in an app. This was a feature announced for tvOS 10. Apple released it early.

I just told Siri "watch CBS News" and it took me straight to the live stream.

@arn You may want to report on this.

 

[2010mini]

Don't evade.
The music match was brought about because of your absurd comment about illegally sourced material.
(It would appear Apple has allowed illegally sourced content to be sourced legally.)

No one is asking for Movie/TV match in this thread.

They are asking for universal search for their locally sourced content.
Their is no proof that this would jeopardize "Apple's" relationship with Hollywood.

If this was an issue why isn't Plex running into legal action?

It is not about what you "think" the reason is people want universal search on their local content.
It is about users wanting a better, (for them), search method for their local content in iTunes.

Evade? Music match was brought up as a reason why Apple could also support user sourced digital movie/tv content.

I correctly indicated that music match was allowed. What I should've said was music DRM was removed long ago so matching user sourced music was no longer an issue. Movie/TV show DRM is still in place.

Content owners can't go after Plex because Plex is not providing illegally sourced content. Plex is not a distributor of movie/tv content... Apple is.

Content owners WANT you be be locked into an ecosystem with STRONG DRM in place. Whether that be UV, Apple, Google, Amazon, Disney... Etc.

Common sense would tell you that Apple would be stupid to do what other content distributors do NOT do: support user sourced, NONE DRM movie/tv content. How hard is that to understand?

 

[sinsin07]

Evade? Music match was brought up as a reason why Apple could also support user sourced digital movie/tv content.
I correctly indicated that music match was allowed. What I should've said was music DRM was removed long ago so matching user sourced music was no longer an issue. Movie/TV show DRM is still in place.
Content owners can't go after Plex because Plex is not providing illegally sourced content. Plex is not a distributor of movie/tv content... Apple is.
Content owners WANT you be be locked into an ecosystem with STRONG DRM in place. Whether that be UV, Apple, Google, Amazon, Disney... Etc.
Common sense would tell you that Apple would be stupid to do what other content distributors do NOT do: support user sourced, NONE DRM movie/tv content. How hard is that to understand?

The chain of events that started you off was this comment:

Yet no universal search support for my own library yet?

Explain how that will work when Siri only searches the web and the device it is on? Siri does not log into devices on your network and search for files.

Then:

You want to give Apple access to your local network and all your files?

In repsonse to my question you responded with this answer:

HomeSharing works differently that Plex/Plex server. Plex has direct access to files on a drive. For instance you can delete files using Plex. HomeSharing only allows a second device to "tell" iTunes on a PC to play content. It doesn't let you actually access the file on the HD the way Plex does.
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The Apple TV 2 - 4 was made as a streamer only device. Steve Jobs vision was for Apple to be your library. No more doing it yourself. Streaming a 5gb movie is nothing.
Anyhow HomeSharing doesn't work the way you think. It's not like Plex where that service has direct access to the files on a HD.
Whenever this subject comes up it mostly has to do with people wanting Apple to support illegally sourced content they have loaded on their iTunes library. YES ripping movies off DVDs you own is still illegal.
And no two people name these files the same way. No two people have their network set up the same.

And now your answer to no universal search is this:

snip...And I am not speculating when it comes to this specific site and subject. It is an oft repeated reason. Apple is not going to jeopardize their tenuous relationship with content owners to satisfy rippers.... Which frankly make up a tiny percentage of the digital streaming market.

You went from Apple having access to your local network files, to Siri only searches the Web, to Plex has direct access to files on drive, to illegally sourced content, to Apple is not going to jeopardize their tenuous relationship with content owners.

Your story changed a lot form your initial comment.
It is clear "You don't understand" how universal search works or why Apple has not implemented it for local content.

As I said before, if you have proof of your claims, link to them.

Otherwise your just a poster on a forum with a theory, which only resides in your mind.