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Apple Updates Final Cut Pro X to Version 10.0.4, Motion to 5.0.3
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OMG, that little boy on the photo of the Preview app icon is still the same! I wonder who he is and how he's doing now!
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With this update, did they finally include the ability to easily insert chapter markers (something like the ease of which they could be inserted in iMovie '06)? I was stunned to download the trial recently and find that there is a markers feature but not an easy chapter markers feature (someone please correct that potential miss on my part if I'm simply not seeing this feature if it is there).
Does this new version import 1080p 60fps from some popular consumer camcorders without inserting a blank (green) screen about every second? Or is a third party tool like Clipwrap still necessary to take video shot on 2+ year old camcorders (like Panasonic HDC-TM700, HDC-HS700, HDC-TM900, HDC-HS900) and re-wrap them so that they can import into FCP-X without the video issues. (no, the answer is not to choose the 1080i "standard" when these camcorders can shoot 1080p and have been around for at least 2 years now; if I wanted 1080i, I would have bought 1080i).
Don't get me wrong: I think the product is pretty impressive myself. I just wish "just works" (1080p 60fps AVCHD video import) and what I consider to be very mainstream, common features (like those chapter markers) would finally make an appearance. The latter is particularly aggravating given iMovie 2006 had such a feature.
Does this new version import 1080p 60fps from some popular consumer camcorders without inserting a blank (green) screen about every second? Or is a third party tool like Clipwrap still necessary to take video shot on 2+ year old camcorders (like Panasonic HDC-TM700, HDC-HS700, HDC-TM900, HDC-HS900) and re-wrap them so that they can import into FCP-X without the video issues. (no, the answer is not to choose the 1080i "standard" when these camcorders can shoot 1080p and have been around for at least 2 years now; if I wanted 1080i, I would have bought 1080i).
Don't get me wrong: I think the product is pretty impressive myself. I just wish "just works" (1080p 60fps AVCHD video import) and what I consider to be very mainstream, common features (like those chapter markers) would finally make an appearance. The latter is particularly aggravating given iMovie 2006 had such a feature.
X
I am a professional, and I make TV magic using a crappy Edius system. I'm sure X is 1,000 times better, but I am still able to work in the field using a lame editor. You know how? I only compile video and audio in the editor, the main effects are done in other programs like After Effects, Photoshop, etc.
So, with this new style of editing....X can be just as good as Avid or Premiere - all depends on how you use it. I think editing 100% in Avid/Premiere/Final Cut is for beginners anyway....
*Disclaimer* Editing Weddings, long format video - there are different paramaters I would judge my editors with, but I don't typically do these kind of videos...just commercials and promotions.
My 2 cents
-Josh
I am a professional, and I make TV magic using a crappy Edius system. I'm sure X is 1,000 times better, but I am still able to work in the field using a lame editor. You know how? I only compile video and audio in the editor, the main effects are done in other programs like After Effects, Photoshop, etc.
So, with this new style of editing....X can be just as good as Avid or Premiere - all depends on how you use it. I think editing 100% in Avid/Premiere/Final Cut is for beginners anyway....
*Disclaimer* Editing Weddings, long format video - there are different paramaters I would judge my editors with, but I don't typically do these kind of videos...just commercials and promotions.
My 2 cents
-Josh
Nobody is making you get it... For 1/5th the cost of Final Cut 7, it makes 7 look like "crap".
Ignore
Time to ignore the self-styled "pros" who declare this to be bad software 8)
I started gluing film together in the 70's and have used everything since then, I declare that FCP X works. Its maturing just like any software, how many of these "pros" used FCP 1? I did. How many the first Premiere? I did. Also Avid, Media100 and all the others. They were maturing too.
So many people with their surfboards bolted to the roof of their cars.....
Time to ignore the self-styled "pros" who declare this to be bad software 8)
I started gluing film together in the 70's and have used everything since then, I declare that FCP X works. Its maturing just like any software, how many of these "pros" used FCP 1? I did. How many the first Premiere? I did. Also Avid, Media100 and all the others. They were maturing too.
So many people with their surfboards bolted to the roof of their cars.....
But what about users and post-houses that dont have competition? Are they deemed as not Professional? I can name you a few in-house Broadcast facilities in Canada that deal with their own crap and live in an island that is not marred by all this negative press. For starters CBC (Gov run TV) uses Avid. Does it matter? Will they lose out work to NBC/CBC/ABC cause they have better editing facilities?
Nope since they have their own governing crap to deal with plus the fact its public money getting abused
Haha I used to work there
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Count me in for old school digitalTime to ignore the self-styled "pros" who declare this to be bad software 8)
I started gluing film together in the 70's and have used everything since then, I declare that FCP X works. Its maturing just like any software, how many of these "pros" used FCP 1? I did. How many the first Premiere? I did. Also Avid, Media100 and all the others. They were maturing too.
So many people with their surfboards bolted to the roof of their cars.....
Premiere 1 then RADIUS VV then PVR on PC then Media100 and then the ill fated Premiere on SGI PC boxes I think after MediaComposer 3 with a Meridien and FCP 1, it all got blurry
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Oh well it looks like everyone else is moving forward....
http://fcp.co/final-cut-pro/news/79...l-update-their-broadcast-out-drivers-for-fcpx
I wonder what NAB 2012 will bring.
Agree 100%. They have some work to do but it is coming along, not as quickly as I'd like though
The great thing about this is most of us have been using the legacy version for years so you have something to put it up against.
I do believe that if we didn't and it was a new app, the negativity would be more towards grass roots like mentality where new users are trying it and making it work with its limited abilities (well limited deemed by the so called pros).
It took awhile for me to enjoy Avid after years with Media 100. This was of course when Avid was still two tracks basically
I've found FCP X to be just as effective for longer sequence shot videos as it is for promotions and commercials. But then again, any editing program is good at compiling sequence shots. I like the FCP X workflow for this scenario a lot. The process goes like this: import sequence shot into timeline (20 minutes from a live concert, for example) apply color correction (auto balance is hit or miss), adjust audio, apply fade in and fade out, export. Done! Obviously more commercial productions require extra attention to detail and commercials need fast paced edits, but the program is great for sequence shots IMO. (Gatorade video in my sig was made in FCP X only)
Jorgus - It does support those cards. Im using the Decklink Extreme 3D card right now, and the update did indeed improve performance. Not perfect and not ready for client review, but getting there.
I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that saying like 'it's the carpenter, not the hammer' only go so far, especially when you factor in things like equality in the talent pool, budgets and deadlines. You have to be able to work efficiently and effectively which is why people use Avid or FCP7 or FCPX or Smoke and not iMovie or Windows Movie Maker.But what about users and post-houses that dont have competition? Are they deemed as not Professional? I can name you a few in-house Broadcast facilities in Canada that deal with their own crap and live in an island that is not marred by all this negative press. For starters CBC (Gov run TV) uses Avid. Does it matter? Will they lose out work to NBC/CBC/ABC cause they have better editing facilities?
Nope since they have their own governing crap to deal with plus the fact its public money getting abused
Haha I used to work there
Put Bob the Great Editor and Sam the Great Editor on a tight deadline cutting with the same R3D footage yet Bob is on a tricked-out Mac Pro w/a Red Rocket card and FCP 7 and Sam is on a MacBook Air with iMovie and my money is on Bob to get the job done on time. If they had an infinite amount of time I'm sure Sam could figure our workarounds to help compensate for his inferior gear and cut something on par with Bob's piece but it would take a hell of a lot longer. In the professional world, whether you are cutting local car dealer spots or Hollywood films, how often do you have an infinite amount of time to get the job done?
Like I said, you could run a marathon in high heels but if you have other, better options why would you chose to especially if winning marathons is your livelihood?
Lethal
What exactly is not ready for client review? Just wondering cause Ive never had to use FCPX for that kind of a situation. Its just a monitor feed right? Are you thinking scopes and such?
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Not all have options. As you can tell most of the FCPX adopters are not Hollywood types. Its just an option and doesnt deserve the back-lash its getting just because Joe Pro can slag it since he has access to the heavy-iron.
I got into luckily with a positive outlook considering I was at the SuperMeet last year and had to endure the negatives there.
I guess I can thank my side-job as an instructor for that since the local college adopted the new version.
As Ive stated before, once you get into it you learn to respect and see what its potentials are
I'm not talking about FCPX. I'm just talking about tools/gear in general and the limitations of the talent-trumps-tools mantra.Not all have options. As you can tell most of the FCPX adopters are not Hollywood types. Its just an option and doesnt deserve the back-lash its getting just because Joe Pro can slag it since he has access to the heavy-iron.
I got into luckily with a positive outlook considering I was at the SuperMeet last year and had to endure the negatives there.
I guess I can thank my side-job as an instructor for that since the local college adopted the new version.
As Ive stated before, once you get into it you learn to respect and see what its potentials are
Lethal
Cant help it. Even though its not my primary editor, I still feel the need to open my trap about itI figured, no problem.
Your posts are bang on as far as professional experiences go.
Heck that's the kind of words I use when I have to justify upgrades and new gear
It looks like FCP X is starting to be adopted by the Pros. The TV show Leverage as well as Post-production house @Radical.media in New York has switched all of its editing to FCP X.
http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/in-action/
http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/in-action/
Very true. A carpenter doesn't blame his tools, but he'd definitely rather have Whiteside router bits vs Grizzly.
PS - Apple released these articles today on Final Cut X
http://images.apple.com/finalcutpro/in-action/
EDIT: darn it, linux beat me to it by a few seconds...
Yeah, AFAIK you need Compressor for that. I don't know why Apple doesn't just sell FCPX, Motion and Compressor as a bundle considering that FCPX needs Motion and Compressor for a number of things.
Lethal
Crazy that they are starting to advertise their users again. I think the last one I saw was the Walter Murch one years ago during Cold Mountain.Very true. A carpenter doesn't blame his tools, but he'd definitely rather have Whiteside router bits vs Grizzly.
PS - Apple released these articles today on Final Cut X
http://images.apple.com/finalcutpro/in-action/
EDIT: darn it, linux beat me to it by a few seconds...
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yea that should have happened before FCPX. but they didnt, they hung on to it unlike Shake. Im pretty sure the export option will be fixed soon. Maybe they just let us have this version to mull over and see where everyone will go.
All of a sudden the most basic stuff isnt stopping most real users out there.
BTW I rarely render portions even in Avid.
As matter of fact it was a pain to do it in Avid back in the day too.
