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Apple Updates Final Cut Pro X with Multicam Support, Advanced Chroma Keying, and XML Support

ekwipt said:
...Sort of agree i just think most places firmed up on Avid, Premiere is not even in the race yet...
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You might be right but from my experience with other facilities that I know off it goes down like this.
Avid as main NLE, from where Im from we have 3 seats but only one Nitris system. Then a few FCS licenses (4 at my work) from soup to nuts concerning DVD and quick and dirty NLE. Then finally Adobe Master Collection/Production. We have a dozen of these upgraded from the start of CS.
So I guess at my place and other I know off, Adobe wins?
However for me, I rarely use PPro. Even though it plays decent with our RED Rocket cards and R3D, I still find it to be a pain to work with.
If I wanted to feel uncomfortable editing we have Avid for that :p
 
chirpie said:
No, OMF didn't but there's something in X that may actually be nearly the equal or better than persistent in and out points. Don't rely just on what's come before. Read this for the FYI on this point.

http://www.broadcastnewsroom.com/article/My-Favorite-Things-1831054

I don't mean this as a snobby counter, only that there's a possibility there's some great stuff in this program you don't know about.
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Thanks for the link. This is a nice feature but why couldn't they have both favorites and persistent out points? It wouldn't require a lot of system resources.
 
Leddy said:
Thanks for the link Chirpie - I'm sure that there are a lot of nifty new features in X and I have an open mind regarding the possibility of using it in future.

(Which is something I wouldn't have entertained last year shortly after the release :eek: )
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On that I agree completely. If you add up all the features from .0.1,.0.2, and .0.3 it's quite amazing to think back that it shipped with all of that missing. (It's also why I only used it as a "weekend editor" until V .0.2 came out.)

BTW, did you check the amount of cams X's multicam can support? 64! That's not a hobbyist at work there. ^_^; Between that and the most powerful metadata engine of any NLE, I'm actually feeling like using it doesn't automatically make me a second class citizen anymore.

Also, I'm surprised more people didn't say anything about a $10 app taking care of opening older FCP projects in this version. That's kind of big... isn't it?
 
pixelcruncher said:
Well, that's not really a post facility. We were working on shows shot in HDCAM, which is a little beefier than DV. We did offline and online in-house. Each one of our 4 Xserve RAIDs cost $13,000, we probably bought 20 Mac Pros over the decade, 10 going at a time, each around $8000 each tricked out with extra RAM, dual fibre channel cards, and Kona cards. Maybe $3000 each to upgrade each machine from the original Final Cut through FCPS3. It adds up, and we weren't even a large facility. When Apple stopped supporting these products, it became very expensive to maintain them, scavenging off E-bay when we could.


Lose clients from upgrading to FCPX? We couldn't HAVE any clients if we upgraded to FCPX. Everything was shot on tape, delivered on tape. We mastered to HDCAM or HDCAM SR for show masters. The networks tell YOU how they want shows delivered. You don't say "How about a Quicktime instead?"

I can tell from your questions that FCPX is perfect for you, best of luck.
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Sometimes you can force a change. We shot a 7 episode tv series for the NRK1 HD, national broadcaster up here, similar to the BBC in the uk. Meaning its licensing based and it's the oldest and most conservative tv station up here.
We shot on xdcam HD and Canon 5D's
To avoid having to lose a generation or two delivering on HDCAM SR, we persuaded them to let us deliver the masters as Prores files on hard drives to them.
Or as we said;" How about a QuickTime instead"

This was even before FCPX came out, so nothing to do with that, but someone has to show the way.
 
yoak said:
Sometimes you can force a change...
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Im curious at to how much people lose when all it is just an software change. The recent offerings from Avid and Adobe are still cheaper than the 2k a year support we pay for one Avid MC support :p
I thought with the new Avid and Premiere Pro, tech is transferable?
 
chirpie said:
There's an actual page on their site dedicated to this update. (Kind of a rare thing for Apple, and shows just how important this .0.3 is)

http://www.apple.com/finalcutpro/software-update.html

Here's the best roundup I found on this version release.

http://www.macworld.com/article/165...fessional_features_adds_notable_new_ones.html

BTW, I was unaware that automatic duck is free now instead of 200 bucks...
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Hmm they did the same for the previous update.
Hoping Apple keeps this up :)
 
mBox said:
Hmm they did the same for the previous update.
Hoping Apple keeps this up :)
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I stand corrected. But yeah, keep it up Apple. (PS - I can't being to imagine the hours the team had to put in. Not enviable in the slightest.)
 
chirpie said:
I stand corrected. But yeah, keep it up Apple. (PS - I can't being to imagine the hours the team had to put in. Not enviable in the slightest.)
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I remember back in the day when Apple only made software to sell computers.
I can see why everyone is up in arms due to Apples recent and future en-devours but its business folks.
If they stick with making cool software (yes FCPX is cool in my books) just to entice whoever and add new Mac Pro's, we're all good ;)
 
MacFly123 said:
6) What is the equivalent to 'Control V' from FCP 7 in FCP X? The command that cuts through all tracks.
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Highlight the tracks you want to cut (all tracks in this case), command-B.

Why Apple decided to change all the keystrokes is beyond me. I should not have to relearn a program I already knew how to use after an "update".

Imagine if Adobe hired Randy Ubillos to update Photoshop and he created Photoshop X?

Remember to send Apple your input, they don't value it at all:
http://www.apple.com/feedback/finalcutpro.html
 
milo said:
Nice straw man argument. Next time try responding to what I actually wrote.
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So you didn't say Apple REMOVED features from the app?

Oh wait, you did. You also said it wasn't a new release, when it clearly was. It was stated in every press release and marketing material that this was a rewrite from the ground up. This wasn't some dot release auto-patch that destroyed your existing workflow, this was a brand new version using a new naming scheme, and you, without reading what it actually was, or what Apple intended to do in the near future with it (and has now since taken steps to do), went and bought up a bunch of licenses and decided to whine about your own willful ignorance.

This was a situation you could have avoided easily. You could have waited, and continued using what tools already worked for you. You could have looked at the available information and decided not to switch to Apple's new offering. If you absolutely need an upgrade, you could have made a rational decision based on the available offerings from everyone in the business and upgraded based on what's best for you and that would be the end of it. There are demos, after all. Instead you come here and claim Apple removed features from your software and that they somehow bait-and-switched you. It makes me seriously question your business sense. Stop trolling random web forums and learn how to properly research and budget for your business.
 
mrxak said:
...This wasn't some dot release auto-patch that destroyed your existing workflow, this was a brand new version using a new naming scheme, and you, without reading what it actually was, or what Apple intended to do in the near future with it (and has now since taken steps to do), went and bought up a bunch of licenses and decided to whine about your own willful ignorance...
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I learned my lessons about updating software too early. For example, Ive been holding off on updating to Avid MC 6.x.
I check the Avid forum and let the others test it.
its been a few months and Im still reading bugs.
Sure its 64bit but Avid isnt fun to deal with when its buggy :p
 
Dranix said:
Yes the name is FinalCut Pro and not FinalCut Broadcast .

Why is it so hard for you people working in broadcast to accept that you aren't the definition of pro? Never found an area where such a amount of elitism is dominant 8(
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How are they not pros? Take a deep breath and realize that the previous version supported them fully, the new "revolutionary" upgrade of the same product doesn't.

Why would you expect that to happen?? removal of features is not something that happens often in upgrades, and when i've seen it happen it was disclosed, here they found out on the day of release.

I'm glad to see they're adding back the things they took away, but then again what where they doing all that time between FCP7 and X???
 
jsolares said:
How are they not pros? Take a deep breath and realize that the previous version supported them fully, the new "revolutionary" upgrade of the same product doesn't.

Why would you expect that to happen?? removal of features is not something that happens often in upgrades, and when i've seen it happen it was disclosed, here they found out on the day of release.

I'm glad to see they're adding back the things they took away, but then again what where they doing all that time between FCP7 and X???
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I believe his point was that 'pro' is not limited solely to broadcast professionals. The software is still clearly a pro-level tool.

Something else you are overlooking, is that this is not the next update of Final Cut Pro 7. They didn't remove features. They aren't adding features back that were taken away. This is an entirely new application meant to replace FCP 7. It is the same methodology used when OS X came along to put Mac OS out to pasture.
 
jsolares said:
How are they not pros? Take a deep breath and realize that the previous version supported them fully, the new "revolutionary" upgrade of the same product doesn't.

Why would you expect that to happen?? removal of features is not something that happens often in upgrades, and when i've seen it happen it was disclosed, here they found out on the day of release.

I'm glad to see they're adding back the things they took away, but then again what where they doing all that time between FCP7 and X???
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The word "pro" doesn't mean too much any more.

It applies to great editors who do marvelous work, but also to low quality cutters who edit reality TV.

I'm curious what we'll get after the prefix "pro" goes out of business. And it's high time it does.

Just making money with something doesn't include the look at the quality of someone's work.
 
danimal99 said:
I believe his point was that 'pro' is not limited solely to broadcast professionals. The software is still clearly a pro-level tool.

Something else you are overlooking, is that this is not the next update of Final Cut Pro 7. They didn't remove features. They aren't adding features back that were taken away. This is an entirely new application meant to replace FCP 7. It is the same methodology used when OS X came along to put Mac OS out to pasture.
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I think what was released at first was not a pro-level tool, it didn't have that many more features than iMovie, this update seems to bring it there, very few things seem to be missing still.

It's not a new product, it's the same product, just because it's a rewrite shouldn't mean forget everything that was offered, alas the new price point should be indicative that it was more akin to final cut express than final cut pro.

You don't expect any new version even if it's a rewrite to be that lesser of what was before do you? which is why i get why they were so pissed off at apple, they promised them one thing delivered something else entirely, hopefully it'll keep getting closer and closer.

Nostromo said:
The word "pro" doesn't mean too much any more.

It applies to great editors who do marvelous work, but also to low quality cutters who edit reality TV.

I'm curious what we'll get after the prefix "pro" goes out of business. And it's high time it does.

Just making money with something doesn't include the look at the quality of someone's work.
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Maybe Premium :D
 
MovieCutter said:
We can indeed, glad you read the rest of the thread. Congrats.
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I do pro work, and I don't work in a sweat shop. I know software, and I use whatever works for me. I still use FCP7 till they iron out the kinks in FCX, but I'll pass on anything AVID because like Pro Tools, it's OVER-RATED. I use Digital Performer 7... smokes PT's in EVERY WAY!! And once DP8 is out with 64 bit and on the Windows platform too, I think PT's will be a commodity item for the users who like to throw their money away on INDUSTRY HYPE!
In school I had to purchase PT's (AVID) to get through my classes (because they got kickbacks, and that's the ONLY reason)... I didn't tell my professors what I was using because they would have failed me but my mixes and productions were amongst the best in the school... they used to say "see, PT's sounds way better than DP doesn't it" if they only knew he he. It's NOT so much the software bro, it's how good you are with it and your creativity... if you work better in AVID fine, everyone is different, no big deal.
 
Any of these idiots claiming to be professional editors are completely full of crap when they say that so many people moved away from Final Cut. We're talking about an industry here where the companies who started on Avid stuck with Avid, and in many cases stuck with the same version of Avid, for YEARS past when "everyone" else switched to Final Cut. Hell, most Avid editors I've talked to openly admit that Final Cut is a better product. They simply keep what they have because that's what they're comfortable with using.

In reality, no one cares what software the editor is using so long as the footage gets cut in time for release. Therefore, everyone who got trained on Final Cut stays with Final Cut and everyone who got trained with Avid stays with Avid and nobody who is serious about editing uses adobe because it sucks. Anyone who says different is most likely working in news broadcast or reality tv where they should be ashamed to call themselves editors for all the fast and sloppy work they do.
 
jpthebean said:
Any of these idiots claiming to be professional editors are completely full of crap when they say that so many people moved away from Final Cut. We're talking about an industry here where the companies who started on Avid stuck with Avid, and in many cases stuck with the same version of Avid, for YEARS past when "everyone" else switched to Final Cut. Hell, most Avid editors I've talked to openly admit that Final Cut is a better product. They simply keep what they have because that's what they're comfortable with using.

In reality, no one cares what software the editor is using so long as the footage gets cut in time for release. Therefore, everyone who got trained on Final Cut stays with Final Cut and everyone who got trained with Avid stays with Avid and nobody who is serious about editing uses adobe because it sucks. Anyone who says different is most likely working in news broadcast or reality tv where they should be ashamed to call themselves editors for all the fast and sloppy work they do.
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Nicely said...
 
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