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Thank god iWork is not office, or made by Microsoft. it is nice to use an office program that actually works properly and not crash every 5 minutes.
 
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That is also my main question! I have a Mojave MBP around and would very much like to be able to open files created/modified in newer Pages/Numbers.
Yep wondering the same here too. I'm fine with updating the iOS versions, but need the file to open on the MacBook Pro running 10.14.

Also wondering if the new feature "remove objects from a selection by tapping" is essentially a Command-click feature for making non-contiguous selections? If so, would really like to update the iOS versions.
 
do people actually use these?

i’m not trying to be a jerk. i’m sincerely curious. i’ve looked at them lots of times but i guess because i’ve been using excel and word for decades i just get confused and revert
 
One main reason is they use it internally.

Yes and a way for Apple to sell hardware too I feel.

do you know this or do you assume this?
We had a long talk in one thread if Apple actually used iWork for their corporates work and if it was sufficient or not especially with excel, or does the iWork maker resort to MS Office when they need to get real work done?
 
do people actually use these?

i’m not trying to be a jerk. i’m sincerely curious. i’ve looked at them lots of times but i guess because i’ve been using excel and word for decades i just get confused and revert
I use numbers and pages quite often. If you have used Word and Excel and know how to use them effectively, there’s probably no reason to switch.
 
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do you know this or do you assume this?
We had a long talk in one thread if Apple actually used iWork for their corporates work and if it was sufficient or not especially with excel, or does the iWork maker resort to MS Office when they need to get real work done?
They seem to like iWork during their WWDC demos to show off new features of the operating system. iWork apps are usually the first to get the new features when there is an OS update.
 
iWork must be a complete money sink for Apple. Not sure who even uses this program. MS and Google own the productivity space.
 
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Looking through the posts here, I didn't see anything related to document compatibility with previous versions.

I have an iMac with Mojave still (production reasons) which runs Pages, Numbers and Keynote ver 10.1

Before I upgrade, any compatibility issues or anything that mentions any? ver 10.3.9 didn't introduce any document format changes but this being a full number release, I thought I would ask.
i wondering the same thing, i cant see apple just stopping iwork to work on Mojave instantly.
we could be safe!
 
Having the presenter notes and next slide indicator in separate window (on my laptop screen) when presenting in a separate window (on my classroom display) is a game changer for me. Previously I was having to use an iPad for remote control.

I'm using ipEVO annotator to annotate over slides on my touch screen classroom display which is why I use the 'Present in a window' feature. Unexpected boosts in my presentation capabilities are much appreciated!

(Also, Keyboard Meastro is an awesome tool for automatically moving and resizing my Keynote windows when I want to present or stop presenting)
 
iWork must be a complete money sink for Apple. Not sure who even uses this program. MS and Google own the productivity space.
I use these apps every day. I'l have 5-10 documents open in tabs in all three of the iWork apps. The intuitive interface makes them so easy to master. It's one of the main things that keeps me buying Macs. Having to use google apps is like a time warp 15 years back (although at least a lot of Mac UI conventions seem to have been implemented in the web interface) and meanwhile I find the Office window management and ribbon completely disrupts any productivity for me. People may be used to google docs (and rely on the amazing collaboration) or Office, but they may not know what they are missing.
 
I use numbers and pages quite often. If you have used Word and Excel and know how to use them effectively, there’s probably no reason to switch.

^^This. I am proficient in Word, therefore this is my word processing app for every task. Excel - not so much :), I get along with it in the office, but in private, I prefer the slimmer Numbers.
 
Overall, I like Pages but I do so much collaborative docs—especially these days remotely—that I'm always afraid it'll interfere for all the Word users.
 
It was supposed to replace Appleworks. Apple never once stated that iWork was a rival suite to MS Office nor have they ever compared Pages and Numbers to Word and Excel. They've always been proud of Keynote and rightfully so because it's the best in the industry...sadly Powerpoint still gets used more for reasons due to more people are using Windows.

Eh... yes and no. Appleworks was really much more equivalent to the Microsoft Works product that was arguably created in response to it (3 years after Appleworks came out in 1984).

Just as Microsoft abandoned Works, Apple dumped Appleworks. Except Microsoft always had the Office suite to sell those customers as the substitute, while Apple had nothing. So they released iWork.

I agree that Apple never really advertised Pages or Numbers as head-to-head alternatives to Word or Excel. But that would have been foolish even IF those products were superior (and clearly, they weren't). Apple was trying to walk a line between being a Microsoft competitor but cooperating with them and encouraging them to write more Mac compatible code. A whole lot of Macs were sold BECAUSE Microsoft had a native version of Office that could run on them, and that was a requirement for the purchaser.
 
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. Apple was trying to walk a line between being a Microsoft competitor but cooperating with them and encouraging them to write more Mac compatible code. A whole lot of Macs were sold BECAUSE Microsoft had a native version of Office that could run on them, and that was a requirement for the purchaser.
I don’t think Macs were ever without MS Office seeing as Office was on Mac before it was on Windows. I’ve been a dedicated Mac user since MacOS 8 and office was available then and before then. It started with Word and when Microsoft saw it take off on Mac that’s when they made the Windows version.
 
Apple was trying to walk a line between being a Microsoft competitor but cooperating with them and encouraging them to write more Mac compatible code. A whole lot of Macs were sold BECAUSE Microsoft had a native version of Office that could run on them, and that was a requirement for the purchaser.
Indeed. I even could imagine that Pages/Numbers/Keynote are, to a certain extent, a fallback option for Apple in the event that the relationship with Microsoft deteriorates.
 
I don’t think Macs were ever without MS Office seeing as Office was on Mac before it was on Windows. I’ve been a dedicated Mac user since MacOS 8 and office was available then and before then. It started with Word and when Microsoft saw it take off on Mac that’s when they made the Windows version.
I believe there was an extended period where MS Office was stuck at 4.2 for a long time. It was “there” but getting less and less compatible each year.
 
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do people actually use these?

i’m not trying to be a jerk. i’m sincerely curious. i’ve looked at them lots of times but i guess because i’ve been using excel and word for decades i just get confused and revert

My guess is the user base is very very very small and I only think the reason its around is... just because. I think they get a kick to say that you have a free office suite with Macs and iOS, and to be fair, its great to be able to open word documents and excel on iOS for free natively.

but for anyone looking to do real work, i dunno. I mean, its even lacking support. There is hardly any documents or place to ask question about it, in comparison MS Office has free and paid lessons and courses with many books and articles of How-Tos.
 
oh snap! Truth is Numbers is far superior to that old abomination Excel in many respects. No crappy ribbon bar, instead a nice clean modern UI. Multiple tables per sheet instead of one hokin sheet to cram tables into all with the same row heights and column widths, even when they are not. Beautiful and elegant cell referencing based on named tables, columns and rows. I switched over when I got my first Mac in 2012, never looking back (A big reason, I don't have to pay for it, I'll admit that), but the better design in general won me over.

I transferred my income tax programs, and my retirement income planner (better than my broker's) over and I'm much happier with how Numbers functions vs. Excel.

Hey, I'll admit if you are vested in Excel, use it, if you use any (but should you?) of the functions that Excel has, then use it. If you use pivottables and don't know enough to use a database instead, use it.

But don't dump a crap load of hurt on a program you have probably very little experience with when your basis for judgment is solely familiarity.
It bogs down to unusable on multi megabyte data analysis.
 
For the most part I think the software that comes on a Mac is decent. At least it's not bloatware like lower cost Window's machines often come loaded with. iWork is functional for a lot of tasks. iMovie is really a pretty dang good video editing program for those of us who are just doing some light editing before sharing videos with friends. I'm a photographer and Photos would not meet my needs, but it can meet the needs of many. There are more comprehensive and fully featured apps in nearly every category. I need more comprehensive photo editing software. But I don't need anything like Final Cut Pro. The Apple software is well integrated and works almost flawlessly with other Apple devices.
Even though you don't need Final Cut Pro, I feel obligated to tell you that it's actually easier to use than iMovie.
 
do people actually use these?

i’m not trying to be a jerk. i’m sincerely curious. i’ve looked at them lots of times but i guess because i’ve been using excel and word for decades i just get confused and revert
Yes, all of my customers use Numbers for personal use or for their small business (creatives, restaurants etc...). Mainly to make their income-expense tracking, annual tax statements, time tracking and so on. Sometimes we collaborate via the sharing feature to work on a document together.
Some of those documents can get rather extensive, for example analyzing revenue, cost and profit of a restaurant over the span of several years. Or calculate various international sales taxes from revenue. The way Numbers works with multiple tables on a sheet is quite an advantage in such cases. In terms of functionality and performance there is nothing missing from my point of view.
 
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Looking through the posts here, I didn't see anything related to document compatibility with previous versions.

I have an iMac with Mojave still (production reasons) which runs Pages, Numbers and Keynote ver 10.1

Before I upgrade, any compatibility issues or anything that mentions any? ver 10.3.9 didn't introduce any document format changes but this being a full number release, I thought I would ask.
That was my first thought when I saw the version number.
Perhaps someone who updated to 11 could donate a file so we could check?
 
i wondering the same thing, i cant see apple just stopping iwork to work on Mojave instantly.
we could be safe!
So far, all of my Numbers documents are working between version 10.1 on Mojave and version 11 on Big Sur. if there are any features added that are not cross compatible with the ver 10.1, I've not run into any of them yet.

Still need to test Pages and Keynote documents.
 
So far, all of my Numbers documents are working between version 10.1 on Mojave and version 11 on Big Sur. if there are any features added that are not cross compatible with the ver 10.1, I've not run into any of them yet.

Still need to test Pages and Keynote documents.
Many of the updates this go around were related to how documents are created. I’ll look over the release notes again to see if there’s anything in there that might indicate a file level change.
 
I have a question regarding Pages, I see you can now create a new document, with a black background. If I use this format, this colours, whenever I print it, will it print it as a black page and white letters? Because that'd be a waste of ink.
It prints what you tell it to print. If you don't want it to print a black background then obviously don't use a black background. If you told it to print a black background with white letters, and it didn't print the background but did print the white letters, then it would look like a picture of the Abominable Snowman during a snowstorm, and what would be the point of that? You control the output.
 
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