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Apple Updates Logic Pro X with Bug Fixes, Stability Enhancements
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From what I gather, there are older 32-bit plugins that have been abandoned by the developers, and will probably never see a 64-bit version, let alone an update of any kind. Some people have come to depend on these plugins and maybe have not found alternatives that provide something equivalent, so expecting some kind of solution to be able to continue using them is not unreasonable. Sure, you can blame the plugin developers for abandoning their software, but that doesn't solve anything.
If Logic supported VST plugins, you'd be able to use jBridge, but Logic only supports Apple's own Audio Units. The only workaround I know of is to Rewire to an app that supports 32-bit plugins (either on it's own or through jBridge) and can be a Rewire device. Logic has never been able to be a Rewire device (but can be a host), otherwise you'd be able to rewire Logic 9 to Logic X, so the DAW you rewire has to be something else. Edit: Apparently Viena is a workaround, and probably the most ideal option.
Personally, I don't use any 32-bit-only plugins, but I think it's reasonable to want a solution to this problem. I also don't use Logic much anymore, Ableton Live is currently my main DAW. Ableton Live can be run in either 32-bit or 64-bit mode, but they actually still recommend using it in 32-bit mode unless you start running out of memory (and you can use jBridge in either mode - 32-bit mode to get 64-bit plugin support, or 64-bit mode to get 32-bit plugin support).
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While this is all strictly true I would like to point out that it is not quite trivial to support VSTs or be both a rewire host and device.
Agreed, and I think much of what DAWs do is non-trivial. Wasn't really saying Logic should support those features as much as explaining why certain things may not work.
I do wish Logic could be used a Rewire device. There is some fantastic stuff in Logic, but I don't want to use it as my main DAW and would rather not have to bounce stems back and forth.
There are third party solutions such as Vienna Ensemble Pro that let you use 32 bit plug ins in Logic X.
Personally I'm glad Logic and PT are forcing the hand of lazy devs.
Logic X on 10.0 is more stable than 9.1.8 for me. No crashes... and if it did I have auto save! I'm very happy so far.
Personally I'm glad Logic and PT are forcing the hand of lazy devs.
Logic X on 10.0 is more stable than 9.1.8 for me. No crashes... and if it did I have auto save! I'm very happy so far.
Still don't understand why people have so many plugins they never fully learn or use. How many compressors does one realy need?
When switch to Mac I've kept it lean and clean: buying only those go to plugins I've downloaded as a crack on Windows and a few Waves plugins when they had a crazy sale a few weeks ago. Son I don't mis any non 64bit plugins except for one: S(m)exoscope! It was free and abandoned a long time ago. Hope there will be a solution, because I'm not going to buy Viena just so I can use a free plugin....
Yes it's a massive fail by Apple not to include 32-bit support. It's not only the plug-ins that don't have 64-bit versions that should have. It's all those plug-ins that are not even in development anymore. Is there any reason not to include 32-bit support? What harm would it make?
I use DP8, not Logic, but just want to let you know: If you work with VI's, 64 bit is soooo worth it! I am really using my 24 gigs of RAM now, and am loving it!
Since DP now supports VST and AU plugs, DP users can implement JBridge to keep using cherished 32 bit plugs. Too bad Logic is AU only.
Since DP now supports VST and AU plugs, DP users can implement JBridge to keep using cherished 32 bit plugs. Too bad Logic is AU only.
Looking good - hopefully this means that we'll also see Final Cut Pro X become legacy free with the launch of Mavericks and the addition of 'moviemodenizer' API call in QtKit that'll mean that both Compressor, Final Cut Pro X etc. can also become pure 64bit applications as well. For all the 'hate' spread against Apple it appears that people are ignoring one thing - these software titles are dependent on underlying technology within OS X so it isn't as though they can make things suddenly appear without having the co-operation of the OS team.
As for the person whining about his "99% of plugins not working" - I hope he was trolling or joking because I facepalmed so hard I almost knocked myself unconscious.
As for the person whining about his "99% of plugins not working" - I hope he was trolling or joking because I facepalmed so hard I almost knocked myself unconscious.
For goodness' sake...
If you are serious about really needing those 32 bit plugins then either keep using Logic 9 or buy Vienna Ensemble Pro (which has many additional benefits besides allowing both 32 and 64 bit plugin hosting).
It really sounds like silly whining when people start throwing around internet kid phrases like "complete fail by Apple".
How many of those 200 32 bit plugins are legitimate bought versions? How many are free or deprecated? And how many are so unique and specialised that you can't get the job done without them?
Please do backup your comments with some better evidence if you don't want to be accused of just whining.
If you are serious about really needing those 32 bit plugins then either keep using Logic 9 or buy Vienna Ensemble Pro (which has many additional benefits besides allowing both 32 and 64 bit plugin hosting).
It really sounds like silly whining when people start throwing around internet kid phrases like "complete fail by Apple".
How many of those 200 32 bit plugins are legitimate bought versions? How many are free or deprecated? And how many are so unique and specialised that you can't get the job done without them?
Please do backup your comments with some better evidence if you don't want to be accused of just whining.
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Reason is a virtual instrument and basic sequencer, Logic is a DAW. Two different pieces of software for two different uses.
Reason is more used with Logic, not as a standalone product.
If I slap 'In my opinion' on the front of your statement, it all makes sense.
Reason is more than capable, I know quite a few people who use it professionally, and a few signed artists who purely compose in Reason. It's not for me.. but still.
I know a lot of people are having a go at you for saying this, but I'm glad you did. A lot of musicians have legacy plugins and the developers are no longer updating them... The only alternative sometimes is to replace them with newer, 64-bit equivalents, but this can prove to be very costly.
Thanks for saying this, I will need to go through my plugins and find out which ones are out of date. And yes, people, it's very easy to have over 100 plugins. A lot of them are free and get collected over many years of usage! I know designers out there with huge collections of Photoshop plugins.
Is there any way of downloading a demo of Logic Pro X to test out my plugins? Or any tool I can use for checking which ones are 32-bit?
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P.S. I came across this, which some of you may find useful:
http://www.macprovideo.com/hub/logic-pro/how-to-run-32-bit-plug-ins-in-logic-pro-x
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Why the hell would you need 497 different plugins for. I call BS
I have many more than 500- forget exactly but it is around 700.
When you consider the Waves Mercury bundle is 130 with 400 components alone it puts it in perspective.
Fwiw Logic going 64 bit is no impediment to my working.
I can use Logic 9, use Vienna to host 32 bit plugs or various other workarounds.
I come for the days when we used tape so nothing is a problem- there is always a solution.
PT 11 still doesn't have enough plugins to work properly- once Waves, Slate, Soundtoys get it together it will be easier.
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130 plugins still isn't 497 plugins. And why would you even want to have that many plugins. Its insane to have that many plugins. Just use a few and be an expert in them. Never have I been in a studio where they would love 500 plugins on their computer. Its way overkill.
Why the hell would you need 497 different plugins for. I call BS
One certainly wonders if all of them, are, how can i put this (without breaking libel laws) er, above board?
Most of the people i knew who used to go on about the size of their plug-in collections, were not exactly "legit."
And as to WHY one would need collections this size, that's another question.
Personally, as all the ones i currently use are only Ez Drummer and Superior Drummer (and i may not even need these with new Logic Drummer, time will tell) and a few others, i am fine with updating, which i will do in a few weeks time, as there is quite a bit of housekeeping i need to do first before updating Logic.
Just wondering how a non-professional (and i admit that is just an assumption here) could afford 500 plug-ins. I certainly can't, as a semi-pro/hobbyist.
Let alone why i would need them all.
YMMV!
I was getting that, where switching to full screen would cut off the edges. I solved it by adjusting the display resolution in system prefs...but then I'm using a 720p TV at the moment so I wasn't expecting wonders. A true HD monitor will be on its way soon.
You don't (or didn't) have to upgrade. It was/is well documented. The OS has been 64-bit for years now and the software is catching up and moving forward. LP 9 still works for you, so save $200. It's not a fail. That's all I have to say.
How can one honestly comment on the recording needs of another? As someone already pointed out, bundles like Waves Mercury (which is extremely popular) can easily accumulate to a large amount of VST's. If you're not using any hardware synths, you will need lots of VST instruments to emulate analog and digital synths, orchestras, bass, etc.
I'm just bummed that I'm losing Miroslav Philharmonik at this point. IK hasn't touched that plugin in years and I doubt they will.
However, I'm happy that both PT and Logic are moving to 64-bit only. These plugins can be hogs, and should be able to address all available memory. I still use Logic 9 and Mainstage 2 right now, but I can't wait to make the switch once my plugins are ready. I think everyone can agree that the 32 bit bridge is a nightmare.
I'm just bummed that I'm losing Miroslav Philharmonik at this point. IK hasn't touched that plugin in years and I doubt they will.
However, I'm happy that both PT and Logic are moving to 64-bit only. These plugins can be hogs, and should be able to address all available memory. I still use Logic 9 and Mainstage 2 right now, but I can't wait to make the switch once my plugins are ready. I think everyone can agree that the 32 bit bridge is a nightmare.