Apple Updates Retail Leopard to 10.5.1

[tiiim]

It does have me wondering if I can take back my 10.5.0 installer that shipped via Up-to-Date and exchange it for a 10.5.1 DVD. There's a pretty good argument to be made that it's defective and should be covered under AppleCare for the systems I purchased in October, and the "Genius Bar" employees are usually dumb enough that it might work. Of course, I could luck out and actually get a sincerely intelligent and reasonable "Genius Bar" employee, but why buck the trend?

But they might just say "has 10.5.0 broken anything?" if the answer is no then your argument would collapse. However every OS has upgrades and that is the price of every new system..

But 10.5.1 should have been the GM, 10.5.0 was clearly rushed out the door to save another delayed embarrassment.

 

[mcnaugha]

I could very well be the firewall bug

I've been puzzling over this myself as it costs Apple a lot of money to rev the retail product. It's only done when pretty urgent. Tiger did actually see a DVD rev with 10.4.2 and 10.4.3 as previously mentioned. Panther only got it's first DVD rev with 10.3.5. The first Tiger rev was important as it added extra repair capabilities to Disk Utility. It wasn't a showstopper though. I think the Leopard upgrade firewall switch off could be serious enough.

The firewall bug only affects upgrades. It's not about it being off by default. Apparently the 9A548 install will switch off the firewall, that the user had switched on, during an upgrade. It should not do that. That's technically a pretty big security risk. Ok... so we know it's not really at this time, but we don't know the day when something big happens like what happened to Windows pre-XP SP2.

Doh! on the title of this post. It should have said "it" not "I". I am not the firewall bug. lol.

 

[Morris]

I've been puzzling over this myself as it costs Apple a lot of money to rev the retail product. It's only done when pretty urgent. Tiger did actually see a DVD rev with 10.4.2 and 10.4.3 as previously mentioned.

I don't see it as a big deal at all. It is standard procedure for Apple to regularly update the retail versions. With the last OS they did it at .2, now they did it with .1. It doesn't have to be that expensive, they are not recalling all 10.5.0 disks. From a certain moment the DVD factory will just be churning out 10.5.1 disks instead of 10.5.0 disks and slowly they will replace the older ones in the retail channel.

We will probably see this at least two more times in Leopard's life so expect to buy a 10.5.6 or 10.5.7 as retail in about 14 months...

 

[mcnaugha]

I don't see it as a big deal at all. It is standard procedure for Apple to regularly update the retail versions. With the last OS they did it at .2, now they did it with .1. It doesn't have to be that expensive, they are not recalling all 10.5.0 disks. From a certain moment the DVD factory will just be churning out 10.5.1 disks instead of 10.5.0 disks and slowly they will replace the older ones in the retail channel.

It's not standard procedure at all I'm afraid. I work very closely with Apple and have done for over ten years now. Standard procedure is to update the retail product generally half way through it's life cycle. Apple only changes the DVDs sooner when a significant issue is introduced. I heard about the 10.5.1 DVD in mid Nov from Apple employees as it had already been decided as vital. They did not state at the time what the reason was behind it, but hinted that it was serious.

The only reason we got a 10.4.2 is because of the overlapping files issue which was then fixable by Disk Utility in the 10.4.2 DVD. We then got a 10.4.3 and 10.4.6 DVDs. 10.4.6 was the planned final release for retail.

Apple isn't recalling 10.5 discs but is disposing of those presently in the channel. It costs quite a bit. Not to mention having to change product codes and packaging, etc.

 

[seashellz2]

I will gladly wait for a retail 10.5.2 box-which is probably when it should really have been released anyway. Tried 10.5 via erase and install, no perifs, and just photoshop...
and went back to 10.4.10 faster than Steve could say "Gotcha!"

 

[JFreak]

It does have me wondering if I can take back my 10.5.0 installer that shipped via Up-to-Date and exchange it for a 10.5.1 DVD. There's a pretty good argument to be made that it's defective and should be covered under AppleCare

No, that's definetely zero chance. You up-to-date installer is supposed to upgrade your system from 10.4.x to 10.5 and it does that job perfectly. Then, after you've upgraded to Leopard, you can upgrade your system via software update.

 

[JFreak]

I will gladly wait for a retail 10.5.2 box

You can wait forever and never have it. The reason why Apple updated retail installers to 10.5.1 is because that's apparently the version they initially planned to ship! They will likely update retail Leopard installer once or twice more, but the next update will *not* be 10.5.2 for sure.

 

[Ninja Dom]

Got my copy of Leopard from The Apple Store in Regents Street on Thursday December 20th.

Yep, it's a 10.5.1 version disc.

 

[Eidorian]

After hearing about 10.5.2, I'm definitely waiting for it.

 

[yamabushi]

No, that's definetely zero chance. You up-to-date installer is supposed to upgrade your system from 10.4.x to 10.5 and it does that job perfectly. Then, after you've upgraded to Leopard, you can upgrade your system via software update.

Not defective to be sure. However, many users do not have broadband internet available. Downloading over 100MB of updates on dial-up or ISDN would be painful. This could give a very bad initial impression of the product. It might be in Apple's best interest to update the retail box more often to minimize this potential problem. Having a very fast install time for OS X isn't very impressive if you then have to wait hours for software updates.