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Yeah, I’m not sure how Amazon is allowed to get away with all of its tax loopholes …
Amazon’s tax dodges are an absolute scandal. If the U.K. PM had any balls he would take on big tech and make them pay taxes in the U.K. based on their sales in U.K.

That also applies to all the other tax dodgers like Shein, Google, Apple, etc.
 
True. Lots of factors in the mix. Including making us style out of town retail parks from the 80s onwards starting the drain away of big retailers from our town centres.

Uk retail does seem really broken.
Here in Sheffield the council gave up fighting Meadowhall and decided to turn the city centre into a living space rather than a shopping one. It’s actually going quite well.
 
Isn't possible to make some kind of "detection" in your software to enable/disable features like this?
Yes, a dev can do anything they want based on a user’s region. Ideally you don’t want to do this through, as it creates more and more fragmentation in your app. They can only show this new stuff in the US. Everywhere else is still the same. They would probably have to be regulated in every country/region.
 
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Okay, let’s face it: this is going to decrease the amount of money Apple makes out of the 30% cut on the App Store revenue.

Do you expect Apple toto raise hardware prices even further to compensate for this? Aside from the tariffs, of course.

The 2nm tech is around the corner (2026) and it’s said it will be more expensive as well, so a price increase in hardware is almost inevitable. But here’s my question: do you think we’ll see this price increase this fall with the A19/M5 (N3P) generation? Or we’ll see this price increase on the A20/M6 (2nm) gen devices?
 
This is a temporary setback for Apple. They have already confirmed they will appeal, and they are going to throw everything at this terrible decision - a decision threatens the very existence of one of Americas greatest corporations of all-time, and risks costing consumers billions through fraud and misleading sales techniques.
Sure, and they will lose again and again when it comes to this. They have lost every battle in every continent so far. No going to change anytime soon.

They opened this to devs, if they close it there will be even more ligitagion from big players who have tasted the new (and better) system.

The EU will soon go for the same terms. Apple still has millions of outstanding fines too.

It is time for Tim and hardcore Tim fans to face the fact the times have changed and the golden extortion era is over. They can fight to delay it a bit, but these changes will happen. But it is cute some of you to think otherwise.
 
Okay, let’s face it: this is going to decrease the amount of money Apple makes out of the 30% cut on the App Store revenue.

Do you expect Apple toto raise hardware prices even further to compensate for this? Aside from the tariffs, of course.

The 2nm tech is around the corner (2026) and it’s said it will be more expensive as well, so a price increase in hardware is almost inevitable. But here’s my question: do you think we’ll see this price increase this fall with the A19/M5 (N3P) generation? Or we’ll see this price increase on the A20/M6 (2nm) gen devices?
The customer I’m guessing won’t notice a difference. The diff will be pocketed by the dev.

And some customers might even rebel by not handing over credit card information again.

We’ll have to see how this plays out.
 
Sure, and they will lose again and again when it comes to this. They have lost every battle in every continent so far. No going to change anytime soon.

They opened this to devs, if they close it there will be even more ligitagion from big players who have tasted the new (and better) system.

The EU will soon go for the same terms. Apple still has millions of outstanding fines too.

It is time for Tim and hardcore Tim fans to face the fact the times have changed and the golden extortion era is over. They can fight to delay it a bit, but these changes will happen. But it is cute some of you to think otherwise.
The eu is a different beast. A set of vague regulations designed to confuse. As has been suggested the DMA should be clear and prohibited Apple from charging any fee or commission at all.

I suspect there will be additional fees to make up for this revenue assessed to the dev.
 
Can’t wait for parents to not know how to cancel subscriptions on these out of bounds websites and try and blame Apple.
It's the same people who drop UPS packages at the FedEx store, stand in the Spark self-checkout lane at Walmart not knowing what that is, and complain about prices not ringing up correctly at the grocery store because they don't understand how the member ID system works.
 
Difference is, those are all physical goods and services. So it's a LOT easier for a parent to see what is happening.

With a random App Store game that is created in China you will NEVER know who has the data and what they are doing with that. And you can't even see what is happening until it's already way too late to do something.

With Apple you have a very easy to use interface that tells you which apps have subscriptions, which apps have paid digital goods and you can easily contact Apple if there is an issue. Third party sellers? Well.. you never know.
I’m curious how many kids are playing games via apps from shady developers. My first question would be how did these shady apps end up on the App Store in the first place. My second would be, if these shady developers move from IAP to something else presumably you would have to create an account or enter payment information on their website or wherever they direct you to. So are kids going to their parent’s wallet to get their credit card info? Then I think the parents have a bigger issue. Mostly I think this is just fear mongering by Apple and it’s supporters.
 
The customer I’m guessing won’t notice a difference. The diff will be pocketed by the dev.

And some customers might even rebel by not handing over credit card information again.

We’ll have to see how this plays out.
It could happen that dev on no a$$le store will keep the current price, and than will increase the price on a$$le store by the 30% a$$le price!
 
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The customer I’m guessing won’t notice a difference. The diff will be pocketed by the dev.

And some customers might even rebel by not handing over credit card information again.

We’ll have to see how this plays out.
I only have two app subscriptions and they’re $9.99/yr. I don’t know how much these devs are making but I feel the price is reasonable for what the app provides. If they stop using Apple’s IAP and charge me $10 via Stripe or something I’m fine with that because I value what I get from their app.
 
The eu is a different beast. A set of vague regulations designed to confuse. As has been suggested the DMA should be clear and prohibited Apple from charging any fee or commission at all.

I suspect there will be additional fees to make up for this revenue assessed to the dev.

3.1.1(a): On the United States storefront, there is no prohibition on an app including buttons, external links, or other calls to action, and no entitlement is required to do so.

3.1.3: The prohibition on encouraging users to use a purchasing method other than in-app purchase does not apply on the United States storefront.

3.1.3(a): The External Link Account entitlement is not required for apps on the United States storefront to include buttons, external links, or other calls to action.

I understand you dislike the EU DMA. But what you are actually saying is that the EU regulations are less stringent than this one. Giving Apple far more leeway on how to go about this topic. Apple simply took that opportunity to try and circumvent the issue as much as possible, rather than tackling the actual DMA intent. It was indeed Apple that tried to make it as much confusing as possible with openly deploying new steering measures making any other options but the App Store and its payment system viable in a business sense.

I mean, according to the info shared not only Apple is required to allow external payments and other call to actions on the Apps served by their own App Store, but is also required to not differentiate treatment between customers / devs that do so or don’t. Meaning, it can’t refuse Apps in their App Store on this basis neither differentiate treatment. Giving Apple no other option to go about it.

The funny thing is that this ruling fits compliance with the DMA too. Yet goes way beyond. That is why Apple is so specific in stating US only.

Congratulations.

Cheers.
PS: No wonder Epic likes that, free app hosting, app listing and so on … thank you so much. Not even the EU came up with that.

PS: I smell another presidential decree coming.
 
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No, that started way, way earlier, more than 10 years ago. Please google the real meaning of the term you used.
Nah. I know what it means, and ensh.ittification is primarily a UX problem, IMO.

The App Store is straightforward experience. You click an app, you double-click the side button, and you’re on your way.

You can bet you bippy that all of these alternate stores will try every flippin’ thing to funk up the process to confuse and increase sales.

Two things can be true:

Apple takes far too much of a share of the proceeds AND they have a quality app acquiring process with minimal fuss.
 
Nah. I know what it means, and ensh.ittification is primarily a UX problem, IMO.
Ok, so i googled it for you (from Wikipedia):
Ensh.ittification, also known as crapification and platform decay, is a pattern in which online products and services decline in quality over time. Initially, vendors create high-quality offerings to attract users, then they degrade those offerings to better serve business customers, and finally degrade their services to users and business customers to maximize profits for shareholders.
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If you refer to UX/UI, you probably mean Dark pattern? A strategy also used by your favorite company...
 
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Even tho this is your creation; YOU CAN'T tell them THEY CAN'T; but WE CAN tell YOU – YOU CAN'T...

LOL
 
Man the App Store is slowly becoming a fragmented mess. I get Apple is trying to keep as much control as possible but in the end it’s looking messy as heck.

Europe can side load apps, US can now have external links for purchases, it’s weird.


In the end, personally I feel like Apple should be more open universally. Charge 30% or whatever on the content *they* host - the app itself, and any services they provide to the developer. Charging 30% for patreon subscriptions, for twitch subscriptions, etc never made sense to me as Apple isn’t the one hosting that content, so outside of handling the transaction, it’s free money for them, from my understanding.

While I get it sucks for them to lose these revenue services (I really want to sideload a virtual machine app that allows JIT, why won’t you let me do that in the US, Apple?) but it’s an ever worse look (for me) to keep fragmenting how the App Store works for each area of the world…
 
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