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Ive read that APPLE had the highest growth/sales rating of 2006.
Also the WSJ named APPLE as company of the year-or was it Forbes...or Fortune.

As for Intel giving Apple specail treatment, for fear of their business going to AMD-profit is profit these days, and im sure that Intel welcomes even a 2% gain in sales from Apple-every little bit counts these days.
Oh.
and maybe they know something we dont....
 
Apple was a huge coup for Intel

While Apple is no where near the size of HP or Dell regarding current sales, I'm sure winning its business caused a celebration at Intel for the following reasons:

Aside from winning back customers from AMD, bringing Apple into the fold was a true increase in sales. When most sales shift between HP and Dell it merely means that you sell one less processor to one and one more processor to another. Apple brought a new share of the processor market to Intel's table.

Second, while Apple is not the biggest customer, I'm 99% sure it's in the top 5, and could even be as high as the third biggest customer by sales. The higher average price of Apple computers probably translates to a higher average price per processor - when you sell $400 boxes, and have to give MS an OS tax on every unit, there's not much left for hardware.

That is huge! It is rare that a long-time established company can do one deal, and have this new customer become one of its largest.

Finally, what Intel is really looking for is future growth OUTSIDE of its current lineup and the stale PC world, and I think this is what most excites Intel about Apple. It already owns the processor market, which is mature and potentially declining (in terms of revenues, not necessarily units shipped). What Intel needs is growth in new areas - markets that have not even been invented yet.

Believe me, if they could figure out a way to take their expertise in silicon fabrication and transfer that into ANY profitable business they'd do it in a second!

Along comes Apple, which is shifting to become a global consumer device company with the potential to invent these new markets. The success of the iPod, plus future hints of products like the appleTV and the iPhone, merely hint at the sort of markets Intel would like to shift into.

This hope of future products / markets is one of Apple's trump cards, and I'm sure Jobs played his hand well when negotiating with Intel.
 
huh..

Huh.. Seems like I mentioned over and over that Apple doesn't like releasing processors where there isn't a clear delineation of speed by clock (like when the 603s clocked higher than the 604s but Apple wouldn't ship them).
:)

This knocks off at least one of my bad prognostications.. I pick to loose my strong opinion that Apple won't go Intel last summer. :p
 
Basically, because Apple wants them as soon as possible, they'll be getting ugly 150W parts. Around June/Q3, Intel will lower the 3GHz quads to an acceptable 120W (though it seems the Mac Pro can handle the 150W ones now).
 
Well to be honest I havent heard that either but there is a difference between fastest selling and how many are shipping from others.

Apple's models may sell greater volumes *per model* than on any other model of computer, but Apple basically has six models, but the likes of HP or Dell might have a dozen or two models each, not counting corporate variants, and so does pretty much every other two-bit player.

Basically, because Apple wants them as soon as possible, they'll be getting ugly 150W parts. Around June/Q3, Intel will lower the 3GHz quads to an acceptable 120W (though it seems the Mac Pro can handle the 150W ones now).

There's plenty of head room. A stock baseline model Mac Pro at max CPU consumes about 200W of the power supply's claimed 1000W power supply. I don't know what you can do to max out that power supply, it may be impossible except if something shorts out, but I think there are safeties for that.
 
But 3 GHz isn't the same for different chips.

I don't think that matters, the IPC for native code is very close between G5 and the Core 2-based Xeon, but it varies depending on the task. The 2003 3GHz "promise" implied that it would be a dual, now you have eight cores at that speed. It's kind of a moot point as there never was and never will be a 3GHz G5. There are and will be faster PPC chips but it will be for very dedictated tasks and not run OS X.

interesting indeed - but more indicative is that "We are indeed shipping a...[and] expect to see faster gigahertz speeds for our high-end [Core 2] Extreme PCs very soon, too," said Intel's Bill Kircos.

we can certainly expect new iMacs soon - hopefully with new design... :)

iMac can't use C2X chips, they aren't available in the notebook class. The case is probably too small to cool a Core 2 Extreme chip without getting noisy.
 
The high price is to be expected because:

1) Its Apple

Actually, for a workstation, it's dirt cheap. Except for the fact that most Mac Pros are sold without workstation graphics, Mac Pro is pretty much a workstation-type system. If you go to Dell or HP, I would bet that their 2.33GHz Octo systems might be about as expensive as Apple's 3.0GHz Octo.
 
Maybe Intel...

...is banking on that fact that Microsoft's 64-bit OS will continue to demonstrate that it is 2 to the 32nd power times as unreliable as its 32 bit operating system :)

OS X seems remarkably more stable to me as both a programmer and a user.
 
It's good to know that Apple and Intel still have a healthy relationship. 1+ years after Apple and IBM teamed up with the G5, things certainly didn't seem this cozy.

Maybe Apple is running out of processor makers to piss on.
 
Originally Posted by JeffDM
iMac can't use C2X chips, they aren't available in the notebook class. The case is probably too small to cool a Core 2 Extreme chip without getting noisy.


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Does anyone still believe that we will get updated chips for MBPs or imacs by June? Anybody???:confused:
 
part of the reason i think Apple is the first to adopt this is because Dell, HP, and other PC manufacturers like to keep costs down, which means selling the low end chips, whereas Apple uses the higher ended chips to increase their performance.


i'm very glad that Intel and Apple have a good, healthy relationship, and i think they both are working together to progress forward. Intel wants to see more and more usage of their top-of-the-line products, which Apple will surely use, and Apple wants the growth and steady progression of the chips. its a pretty win-win situation for them both. i do hope with the Santa Rosa like that Apple adopts it just has fast though. we need even more updates!
 
part of the reason i think Apple is the first to adopt this is because Dell, HP, and other PC manufacturers like to keep costs down, which means selling the low end chips, whereas Apple uses the higher ended chips to increase their performance.
It is simply that Apple has low enough volumes that they can use a limited early run like this while Dell and HP cannot.
 
So how fast is it?

I don't know what your point is, where in that processorfinder list is there a Core2Extreme Quad? I don't see anything in your response that addresses what I said.

I agree with Jeff here, this is not like a "SpecInt" page that lists processor speeds as a function of well-tested benchmarks.

Anyone know how fast this new 3 GHz box really is?
 
Anyone know how fast this new 3 GHz box really is?

It depends.

For most applications, it will probably be the same or slightly slower than the dual-dual 3.0 GHz.

For some applications, the dual-dual-dual may be nearly twice as fast as the dual-dual. There probably aren't many applications in this category.

If you're running multiple cpu-intensive applications at once, it may be nearly twice as fast as the dual-dual.

These multiple application scenarios (or "multi-threaded workflows") are probably where people are most likely to see the added value.

If you have an application that can only use two cores effectively, but you have lots of jobs for that app, then the dual-dual-dual could run four instances simultaneously, all at more or less full speed.

So, just because AppX doesn't run any faster on the octo, doesn't mean that the octo isn't a good investment.
 
For most applications, it will probably be the same or slightly slower than the dual-dual 3.0 GHz.

How can a 3Ghz Octo core Mac Pro be the same or slower than a 3Ghz Quad Core Mac Pro in some instances? Wouldn't the Octo Mac Pro be faster in everything than the Quad Mac Pro?
 
How can a 3Ghz Octo core Mac Pro be the same or slower than a 3Ghz Quad Core Mac Pro in some instances? Wouldn't the Octo Mac Pro be faster in everything than the Quad Mac Pro?

No, it can be slower.

Many programs are single-threaded, they work on one thing at a time, sequentially doing the steps of the problem, until the job is done. Sometimes this is due to uncreative programming, often it is due to the nature of the problem.

If you put such a program on an octo-core, one would think that it would be the same speed as a quad - but in fact there's overhead due to the additional cores, and the possibility that the OS will move the program around (effectively flushing the caches and slowing it down).

For example, think of a spreadsheet where the "total" is really the sum of ten other cells, each of which is the sum of an entire column of entries. And, in real life, many of the cells in the columns are sums and/or products of other cells in the same row. You can't calculate the total of the ten cells until *after* you've taken the sum of each of the ten columns. And you can't total the columns until you've totaled the rows.

So, solving the general case of finding out how many rows can be calculated in parallel, sending each of those out to 8 cores, then finding which columns can be done in parallel, sending that out to 8 cores - is very hard.
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Other jobs are very easy to parallelize, and can easily be written for multiple cores.

An example of this would be an MPEG video encoder. MPEG streams have "key frames", which are complete frames (pictures) that subsequent frames are based on. Frames between key frames are "difference" frames - they contain information about how the current frame is different from those around it (usually much less data than a full frame).

It's common for a video stream to contain a key frame every second or so. It's therefore easy to parallelize - you chop the input stream into one-second chunks, and send them out to as many cores as you have available. In theory, a 3600 core machine could process an hour of video in the same time that it takes it to do one second. (In practice, I/O ruins that simplistic statement.)

Unfortunately, many programs (like video processors) weren't written to handle an arbitrary number of cores. They originally were written for a single core. When dual core (dual CPU) machines first came out - they were hacked to split the job into two pieces. When 4 core systems came out - another hack to handle 4 pieces at once.

What we'll see soon is new versions of some of these hacked to cut the job into 8 pieces. Maybe some will be rewritten to work on an arbitrary number of cores, but hacks are faster and cheaper than elegant redesign.
 
Ahh, I thought you meant the X in C2X was for Solo, Duo, or Quad, now it seems you mean it's for Extreme. There will be a Core 2 Extreme Mobile later, just not quad.
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=5918

Perhaps those processors could be in the next iMac update. Apple should make a bigger difference between iMacs and MacBooks(Pros). To me a 17" MacBook Pro and 17" iMac C2D seem almost the same in specs. The only difference I see is MacBook Pro's portability.

Edit: Thank you AidenShaw for the information.:)
 
And also, the faster Xeon's decided that they wanted to do more interesting stuff as life in a Dell would be short and boring, and not so glamorous. :p
 
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