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Apple v Apple Decision on May 8?

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THEY DID SUE RIGHT WENT ITUNES WENT UP it just took this long to get to court. Apple computer is putting together it's own complilations NOT simply acting as a retailer. They also have exclusive tracks and albums. They infact, like it or not, are like a record label. Like VIRGIN who is a retailer AND an Label.
Apple corps wins here!!!
 
tboneh08 said:
That sounds like some kind of superhero...

It's a Bird! It's a Plane! It's JUSTICE MANN!!!😀
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No, it's just super-retro.

Here's what I wrote a few comments back up (hoping that this would clarify the matter):

No, it's just a title. The monarchy north of France hasn't quite made it to the 21st century yet in many ways.

In Britseze it's not merely "Mr Justice" btw, the guy would probably be offended. Thou shalt address him as "The Honourable Mr Justice Mann".

Here's a list of his mates:
The Honourable Mr Justice Lindsay
The Honourable Mr Justice Evans-Lombe
The Honourable Mr Justice Blackburne
The Honourable Mr Justice Lightman
The Honourable Mr Justice Rimer
The Honourable Mr Justice Park
The Honourable Mr Justice Pumfrey
The Honourable Mr Justice Hart
The Honourable Mr Justice Lawrence Collins
The Honourable Mr Justice Patten
The Honourable Mr Justice Etherton
The Honourable Mr Justice Smith
The Honourable Mr Justice Lewison
The Honourable Mr Justice David Richards
The Honourable Mr Justice Warren
Source: http://www.catribunal.org.uk/about/memberlist.asp?Category='3'
EOD
 
Apple Corps.

I heard on the news that the judge owns an Apple Computer. And i will argue against stella, that if Apple Computer looses this battle then Apple Corps. it right. I don't always agree with a courts decision on what is right or wrong an niether should anone else.

I think Apple Corps. needs this case to survive, they aren't protecting themselves, they did not loose sales because of apple computer, there is no public confusion between the two companies.

If Apple Corps wins the money will just go into some fat rich guys wallets Apple Corps does jack ****, employes nobody and is only there to torment Apple Computer.
 
I do think this is all stupid and greed based...
However - for all that think Apple Computers is GOD and does no wrong....
IF it was the other way around, Apple Computers would be sueing the pants off the record label.
Greed flows both ways
 
ITASOR said:
If Apple is ruled against, they can't call the iPod an "Apple iPod" anymore? That sucks...
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Who cares what you call your ipod?
If you misplaced your ipod, do you say: "Damn where is my APPLE iPod"

I have never prefaced my ipod with the word APPLE
 
jimN said:
cpuldn't apple just buy these guys out and then fire them. Now that would be amusing.
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That was my first thought. Just buy the whole company and be done with it. 😛 I also wonder how much of the Beetles catalog Apple Corp owns, if any. I wonder if Apple Comp could buy up Michael Jacksons share which is for sale and use it leverage the other company into coming to an agreement... like OK, no more selling these Beetles albums that we own until we settle this. You NEED the money from these sales, we can wait.

Kinda sneaky and underhanded, but the whole thing is a little lame. I can see both sides points, but it doesn't make it a very good dispute.
 
quietmind said:
Sad that apple corps feels the need to keep itself afloat by using another company. they're ancient history now, and irrelevant. just a lot of sour grapes and whining.
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While I hate this idiotic lawsuit, I wouldn't say that they're ancient history. They still sell millions and millions of dollars of music a year and they've teamed up with a Cirque Du Soleil, and have created a new Cirque show at The Mirage in Las Vegas called "Love". Attached is 1024 x 768 Desktop I made for you guys.

Cirque/Beatles Show
 

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nemaslov said:
THEY DID SUE RIGHT WENT ITUNES WENT UP it just took this long to get to court. Apple computer is putting together it's own compilations NOT simply acting as a retailer. They also have exclusive tracks and albums. They infact, like it or not, are like a record label. Like VIRGIN who is a retailer AND an Label.
Apple corps wins here!!!
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Exclusive tracks and albums?.. that's just like HMV giving you a free single, or sampler cd with your pre-order of an album. the record company is providing the free single, not HMV, and not iTunes.

compilations? are you speaking of the "Essentials"?.. that's just like an independent music store which has a section with recommendations of the people working at the store (eg. Pete's Picks, Steve's Picks, etc...).

iTunes is a store, it is by no means a record label!

but i just want to point out again, as i did on a previous post. this is all negated by the fact that the issue is the Apple logo on "physical media." even if you remove the physical media part, Apple's logo is nowhere to be seen on anything you buy from iTunes! it's not added to the data stream, it's not on the artwork. and it's nowhere in the tags, nor is the name Apple.. what is in the tags? the actual name of the record label!

when i buy an album from iTunes, even a compilation, i've never once considered it an Apple record.
 
JGowan said:
While I hate this idiotic lawsuit, I wouldn't say that they're ancient history. They still sell millions and millions of dollars of music a year and they've teamed up with a Cirque Du Soleil show at The Mirage in Las Vegas --

Hardly ancient history.
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I wasn't aware of that - thanks for the insight. 🙂
 
THose special celebrity compilations and playlists are put together by Apple iTunes people and NOT the records companies. Yes the music comes from the labels but are not label specific and are exclusive only to iTunes.

I really think both parties are somewhat right. Apple Computer is trying to cry innocent on a technicality, but they are a music providor now. Yes if they take the Apple name off, they are free and clear and all you Apple-Beatles bashers should realize that dispite how you feel about them or their company Apple, they pioneered theindependent label music thing. Although Apple did not have huge success with other artists, they took chances like no one else at the time and many artist owned companies came later because of them.

In 1991 Apple Computer was limited in what they could do in the music business and they have crossed that line and expanded and Apple Corp is in the right here. Someone wrote here about other companies called Apple, but they are NOT in the music business or certainly NOT in the Computer business. Do you think if the Beatles company got anywhere near computers, that Job's company would not go after them. They do it everyday. This is law. I mean you can't even have a fast food company with Mc "anything" as the name. There was a healthfood fast food company once called McDharma's that was shut down legally by McDonalds. Do you really think anyone got them confused. Maybe people in their 20s and 30s never heard of the Beatles Apple, but older people certainly have.

As I wrote before , I think they will settle, as it would benefit both parties. Appel Corp will get a cash settlement which Apple corp can afford and exclusively put the remasterd Beatles catalogue on iTunes with a huge promotion blitz.

Lastly I would imagine that at least half the bands that started after 1970 and up to today would list the Beatles as an influence. And they have been influencing musicians and artists for over 40 years.
 
maybe i should start another company called "apple" as well. since they all seem to do so well.. it's all in a name. 🙂
 
in the monority here

Man, posting on this site if you support Apple Corps is like being a liberal democrat on the Fox News Channel!!!😎 😎 😎
 
Hmmm. This is a tough one. I guess it really only comes down to whether or not Apple Computer is breaking the 'spirit" of the 1991 agreement. It is up to the judge to decide what that 'spirit' was and if Apple Computer broke that 'spirit'. What could also likely happen is if the decision (whatever way it goes) gets appealed. The appeal judge could easily find a very different result. I don't think that May 8 will be the last we hear about this.

barstard.
 
nemaslov said:
Man, posting on this site if you support Apple Corps is like being a liberal democrat on the Fox News Channel!!!😎 😎 😎
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No, it is like being anything except a Uber-right-wing-neo-con f***wit on Fox News Channel. They definitely talk alot about "no-spin" etc, yet they are the biggest spin-doctors around. Especially that psychopath Bill O'Reilly. That guy has serious hate issues. Though I guess with my above comments, so do I. 😀

barstard.
 
Apple Computer Thinks It Will Win

Having read through all this, what I think is really interesting is that Apple Computer hasn't settled this case, as they did the last two.

Why? I think Apple Computer feels like they have solid legal ground to stand on, and once they get the decision they hope for from the judge, Apple Corps will never be able to hassle them again.

I think if there was a real chance of the iTunes/Apple brand being split, Apple Computer would open the wallet and ask, "How much to make you go away, Apple Corps?"

In short, I think Apple Computer will win it. They are not producing their own music, although it would be cool to see a jam session between a bunch of iMacs... OK, not really. But unless they are either making and selling music for themselves, or signing artists to an Apple-titled record label, I have to agree with the assertion that is is a (maybe final) desperate act on the part of Apple Corps.

jmelrose
 
Apple will win, Apple Corps will lose.

It's really that simple.

I've won plenty of court cases and my gut reaction after reading the details is that the wording of the law will apply and the 'spirit of the law' argument in this case will fail.

The argument for the 'spirit of the law' being what is in the minds of the consumer will not stand up. It may feebly raise it's head, but it will be ruthlessly kicked down. It's a fantasy from the expensive barrister robber-barrons representing Apple Corps.
 
Apples' New BeatPod

For the sake of the argument here: What if Apple Corps. decided to team with some tech developer to make their own MP3 type player (or collaborate just for an initial promotional release and entry into the market) which has the entire Beatles catalogue ala the U2 Edition?

What if they released it as the "Apple BeatPod" or something like that, with the Beatles' green Apple logo prominantly on the front and in the ads?. Don't you think Apple Computer might go after them? But maybe the Beatles' Apple would be OK since no one thought in 1991....etc, etc. Shouldn't it work both ways???
 
quietmind said:
this is coming up fast in the windshield.
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What exactly does that mean? How does something come up fast inside a windshield? Do you mean towards? What an obscure saying... 😕
 
~Shard~ said:
What exactly does that mean? How does something come up fast inside a windshield? Do you mean towards? What an obscure saying... 😕
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It means, decision time tomorrow. Electrons bumping into each other will never be seen as 'physical media'
 
dogbone said:
It means, decision time tomorrow. Electrons bumping into each other will never be seen as 'physical media'
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Okay, can't say I've heard that phrase before.

So are Apples like electrons then? 😛 😉 😀
 
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