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Tilting your head down so you can look at a device in your hands is ergonomically bad for your neck.

My MBP's screen is almost at eye level.

Not relevant to the ergonomics discussion. But it sounds like you are projecting some emotional issues on the VP; no wonder you don't like it.
Ok....enjoy waving your hands around laying down in bed....ooppps....headset fell off again.....needs a chin strap.....and while we're at it, might as well sell an N-95 mask accessory to come built in so you don't get COVID either.

That'll be $5,700 please. Cuz you wanted the 512 GB and Cellular and upgraded Zeiss lenses, and the extra battery pack....and OF COURSE you'll get AppleCare+.

Do you not see every red flag possible? From price to ergonomics to MO to frequency of usage to success of others in the same market space. To me, all I see is 3DTVs with funny glasses being sold to us again at a ridiculously high price point. The device is a non starter.....it founders in the second iteration after all the novelty has worn off.
 
Doing that for VR activities is kind of the point of VR, but for passive consumption like browsing, videos, etc. your hands can rest comfortably by your side as the downward-facing cameras watch your hands.
I'll save you some money for passive consumption.

 
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Interesting perspective. You could very well be right. That said, when people talk about multiple monitor setups, my hunch is they want to see all of them. After all, if you have a three monitor setup on your desk, most likely you’re using all three together, dragging windows between them, putting your active document on one and palettes on another, etc.

Yes, but even there, if everything on say a virtual quad screen is not updating at the same time, there could be enough bandwidth to update all of them.

A very typical example would be the stock trader setup. He/she may have 4, 6 or 8 screens in front of them, each showing a chart of a single stock with maybe some news feeds about each stock. In real-time trading, very little on all of those screens is updating. A bit of new news on screens 2 & 6, a tiny vertical sliver at the far right of the charts for "right now" price data updates, etc. All of that should easily fit into the available bandwidth.

At the other extreme, imagine the NFL Sunday Ticket fan with 4-8 TVs set up to live stream all of the games in 4K at the same time. Attempting to replicate live 4K video streaming to 4-8 screens with no screen tearing, etc due to pinched bandwidth would likely NOT be possible... UNLESS the heavy lifting was done in some attached Mac for such a purpose that then renders the Vpro view as a single 4K stream... a virtualized, virtualized view if you will. Then, it's still one 4K stream being fed to Vpro but now it looks like the usual view of Vpro... akin to how the Vpro interface might be rendered on a 2D screen for app programming purposes.

My best guess: I see the stock trader scenario working just fine since even 8 screens wouldn't actually need that much data flow to keep updating. I'll guess that multiple streams of complex 4K video playback doesn't fly. But that's wild guessing. We'll have to wait and see what it can actually do in person.

Personally, I'll be quite thrilled if it delivers very high res view of a single MB screen at a much larger size... exactly as demoed in the WWDC video. The cheaper options can already do this at low resolutions, so it seems highly likely that Vpro will do this much better at higher resolution. Using a MB with a 50" screen when on long flights, etc is very appealing to me.
 
Okay, fine.

But don't get upset when no one buys it and the product languishes.
I won’t, it doesn’t necessarily affect me if it does or not.
Although I was told the Apple Watch wouldn’t last a year on the market back in 2015 and that AirPods were expensive q-tips hanging out of someone’s ears that no one would ever buy, so as you can imagine when people come flowing to this place by the hundreds to tell us “Apple bad, product will flop, Steve’s grave is spinning a million miles a minute” it’s kind of hard to take them seriously.

Even when they make a point that might connect, the constant pessimism from this place would make one think that Apple doesn’t know how to make intelligent business decisions, when they clearly do.

It’s almost like people here think they could run the company better than the actual professionals can.
But then they’re only product idea is… Another 27 inch iMac. How fun. How original. Totally never seen anything like that before.
 
Is it your contention that Apple can’t fail? Because that’s a far more absurd proposition than the idea that Vision Pro is headed for failure.
Not at all. But having a few facts in hand is always a good starting point. what do you think the line is in Vegas for this to be a success? What’s the overall track record on Apple product success? What is the stock market saying today about the news?
 
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Nobody is spending $3499 for PERIODIC usage unless you're one of the 1%. Where I work and live, $3499 is a used car in amazing shape.

You are not a part of the market Apple is pursuing.

It's about AR... not for projecting multiple giant virtual computer displays in your living room space so you can play games (although that kind of comes along for the ride).
 
Plus the watch is co-opting a place on the body that lots of people already use for other things. I wear a mechanical wrist watch for example. I won’t be replacing it with a tech toy now or ever.

These types of market limitations are real and Vision Pro faces more of them than any other Apple product to date.
Exactly. Passive Consumption? iPad, iPhone, MacBook....hell, a Windows Laptop, Windows Desktop, 65" LCD/LED.

There are 18 products that compete with the VisionPro for media and computing tasks, and none of those products start at $3499.
 
Ok....enjoy waving your hands around laying down in bed....ooppps....headset fell off again.....needs a chin strap.....and while we're at it, might as well sell an N-95 mask accessory to come built in so you don't get COVID either.
You just wrote a paragraph of made-up scenarios based on absolutely nothing though the latter part of your comment does say a lot anyway.
 
What a weird thing to write…

Speaking for myself:

iPhone?
I was in the queue to buy one of the very first ones on release. It was winter in the UK and I queued ice cold to get my hands on one.
Never doubted its success.

iPad.
Didn't queue, but started at Gen 1.

Trashcan Mac "Pro"?
I knew it was going to fail. Hard.
It did.

Watch?
Got a few generations, but returned them all.
Right now, as I type this out on my Mac I've got an Ultra 2 strapped to my wrist.
The Apple Watch finally delivered after quite a few generations.

Apple Vision Pro?
I am not convinced.
Maybe in a decade or so. But I guess that makes me a hater and a naysayer. 🤷🏻‍♂️



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Oops!
I forgot my PowerBook 140, 1st gen Bondi Blue iMac… 1st gen iPods… yeah those were the days.

Oh hell, and I forgot my Newton.
Alas, that never did take off. Pity.
Where‘so the list of successes based actual numbers and figures? Your anecdotal tally is insignificant.
 
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Ok....enjoy waving your hands around laying down in bed....ooppps....headset fell off again.....needs a chin strap.....and while we're at it, might as well sell an N-95 mask accessory to come built in so you don't get COVID either.

That'll be $5,700 please. Cuz you wanted the 512 GB and Cellular and upgraded Zeiss lenses, and the extra battery pack....and OF COURSE you'll get AppleCare+.

Do you not see every red flag possible? From price to ergonomics to MO to frequency of usage to success of others in the same market space. To me, all I see is 3DTVs with funny glasses being sold to us again at a ridiculously high price point. The device is a non starter.....it founders in the second iteration after all the novelty has worn off.
You sound like you are very angry about this device even existing. While I seem some societal risks from this device, and wider adoption of VR as a whole, I still think that this is the next big and final step of consumer computing.

Your eyes act as the mouse movements and your voices as the keyboard, and you pinch to click. It’s a huge step forward in terms of interaction with headsets.
 
Not at all. But having a few facts in hand is always a good starting point. what do you think the line is in Vegas for this to be a success? What’s the overall track record on Apple product success? What is the stock market saying today about the news?

The stock market and Vegas odds are of no interest to me and have no realistic impact on the potential success or failure of this product.
 
Ok....enjoy waving your hands around laying down in bed....ooppps....headset fell off again.....needs a chin strap.....and while we're at it, might as well sell an N-95 mask accessory to come built in so you don't get COVID either.
If you're worried about catching Covid at home, you have larger issues to worry about.
That'll be $5,700 please. Cuz you wanted the 512 GB and Cellular and upgraded Zeiss lenses, and the extra battery pack....and OF COURSE you'll get AppleCare+.
$3500 + $200 for 512Gb + $99 for the lenses is not $5700. Apple hasn't said anything about cellular, so it's probably wifi only, but you can tether off your phone if needed. I seriously doubt a second battery will cost around $1900.

Seem like you should worry about basic math instead of VP.
Do you not see every red flag possible? From price to ergonomics to MO to frequency of usage to success of others in the same market space. To me, all I see is 3DTVs with funny glasses being sold to us again at a ridiculously high price point. The device is a non starter.....it founders in the second iteration after all the novelty has worn off.
No we get it, you don't like them.
 
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I think it's OK - I believe I'd never be able to use the Vision Pro for longer than that anyways.
After 1-2 hours of using the PlayStation VR for example, it's quite hard on the eyes, and you're pretty happy to remove the headset.
 
Really poor battery life - given an iPhone is rated for what? 27 hours video play back and that translates to about 7 hours mixed use? I’d expect about less than an hour actual Vision Pro usage.
iphone is an "with you everywhere device"...while this, it shouldnt be wore outside or more than 2h, it affects us
 
You are not a part of the market Apple is pursuing.

It's about AR... not for projecting giant virtual computer displays in your living room space so you can play games (although that kind of comes along for the ride).
Then what the **** does it do? I have to buy one so I can use the IKEA app to figure out if my new couch is gonna fit?

"It'll help with surgeons doing surgery." Great, let me talk to the 100,000,000 surgeons in the world.

"It's great with gaming." Playstation 5.

"You could go on dates with it!" Great, I can masturbate....I never do that.

"You can have a virtual desktop while having your house as the background!" I totally live in the $10 million mansion shown in the promo.

"You can enjoy it on a camping trip." Dude, the last thing I am doing on a camping trip is watching a movie on a VR headset. I am getting trashed with my friends and high as balls before cooking steak and then probably wild sex under the stars.

"It's great for watching movies and relaxing" Here's a money saver.

 
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Just seems a lot simpler and less expensive if you want to watch a movie and have an iPhone (source). 🙃
 
I think it's OK - I believe I'd never be able to use the Vision Pro for longer than that anyways.
After 1-2 hours of using the PlayStation VR for example, it's quite hard on the eyes, and you're pretty happy to remove the headset.
exactly , in on your face display
 
It is a belt pack. Why not make it a bit bigger ?? Or, perhaps, they wanted it to be "pocketable" for folks wearing skinny jeans. If so makes sense I guess.

BTW: Went to the Apple Vision Pro page, clicked "Take a Closer Look"... Wow that is a heavy-weight page re: load time [backend of this network analysis], although this is not to say the initial product page is much lighter [front end] -- this was when I got 44Mbps at speedtest.net):
 

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I do like that the pessimists first thing to jump to is that the only way to operate this device is… arm waving?

Despite the fact that literally everyone who has used the device have said that the hand gestures are so accurate that you don’t even need to lift your arm off your lap for them to work properly.

As far as I can tell this isn’t the Xbox connect from 2010, but for some reason a lot of people think it is.
 
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