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Apple Vision Pro to Feature Custom-Designed Low Latency DRAM Chip Supplied by SK Hynix
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I'd personally ignore the first two generation of this thing, and let the fanboys beta test it. Gen 3 for sure.
I hate people that say this, bus strapping an M2 MacBook, with and OLED TV to your face for only $3,500 is actually pretty cheap.
In Germany privacy is much more appreciated. Many of those police cameras at public places have been stopped by courts after some people had complained. In Germany you can't even protect your storefront with a camera, if it directly faces the public sidewalk or street. You are only allowed the area that is not public and you have to install a sign telling people that they get filmed.
People will want to brag with their new expensive Apple product. There are people who even buy iPhone cases with a cutout for the logo, because others should see that it is an iPhone. I am sure we will see Apple Vision Pro in many public places. Just the battery life will be an issue.
Fortunately, you won’t be wearing this in public with two hour battery life. (I’m starting to think the low battery life was on purpose)
Someone using the VP in public does not mean that Apple intended it to be used outside. Same goes for the iMac... 🤣
I want this tech to fail because I would hate to have “Ready Player One” like dystopian future.
Adjusted for inflation, the first Macintosh ($2500 for 128K memory and a 360K floppy in 1984) would be $7400.
With screens that big, they must get terrible battery life.
With all due respect, sincerely - some don't. I'm sure some will use the heck uotta tthis thing. I personally don't plan to really consider this until a few generations down the road when it's lighter and cheaper.
You obviously improve latency to the extent that you can (at least in principle) now do things like send addresses (perhaps even multiple addresses) for later transactions in the same beat as data is returning from the chip. Likewise not waiting for multiple beats of a transaction. So there's some help there.
My guess is there may be deeper changes in the DRAM itself (like multiple page stores per bank) that are less visible to whoever at the packaging plant saw the DRAM chips and noticed the large amount of IO...
Or maybe reality won’t imitate art, and a world with widespread acceptance of VR doesn’t have to destroy society.
What's the world record of eye blinking?
And are one-eyed men allowed to participate?
It’s less than half the cost of the first Mac (when inflation is accounted for). 😉
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Low Latency DRAM employs advanced architectures and optimizations to achieve faster data access. These include features like reduced command/address bus latencies, improved internal data path designs, and efficient memory controllers. Manufacturers strive to strike a balance between capacity, speed, and cost-effectiveness when designing such memory chips.
As for FOWLP, the packaging technology integrate multiple chips or components into a single package (CPU, GPU, RAM etc) might be what the article referred to as "single integrated unit".
In FO-WLP, the packaging process occurs at the wafer level, rather than individually packaging each chip or component separately. The process involves the redistribution of the input/output (I/O) connections from the chips onto the surface of the wafer, followed by the application of a molding compound to encapsulate the chips and form a protective layer. The wafer is then diced into individual units, resulting in individual packages containing one or more chips.
The term "fan-out" refers to the redistribution of the I/O connections from the central area of the chip to a wider area on the package substrate or interposer. This redistribution allows for increased I/O density and better signal integrity.
People are now much more conceited: they like appearing knowledgeable by being dismissive, and generally disagreeable.
They're toxic.
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this is my 1st posting here and it's going to be surprising
I've been following MacRumors for more than a decade and I always enjoyed the interesting articles and most of the time the comments as well - though I did not feel the need to add some of my thoughts since for the most part my ideas had been covered bye others and I am already participating more forums and thus it was for my information and pleasure.
In recent times things seem to have changed. To be more precise:
This is a really bad development and I am shocked by the narrow minded views and negativeness and lack of respect for others.
The AVP is a very good example for that.
I can see only one root cause for that - knowing that our decisions are for the most part driven by instincts rather than free will.
It's the price tag of the initial device that seems to tick a box at most brains and leads to very infantile reactions - to say the least.
I am undoubtedly the target audience of Ferrari, Lamborghini and/or McLaren since I adore sportscars and I#d love to own one - unfortunately I only managed to buy a nice Porsche - but nonetheless i get the idea of getting a different car. In fact I love the ideas of Koenigsegg even though they are even further aways from my possibilities.
I like the idea of using all possibilities to craft a masterpiece. May it be in cooking or sports or music or cars or computers. It's not about faster or more horsepower - it's all about refinement and perfection for the intended use case.
The AVP seem to become a masterpiece in headsets - I can't get my head around the idea not to like the refinement Apple has done.
In case the initial price tag is too high for you go ahead and try to make it more achievable for you by earring more money or simply concentrate on other things in life.
The recent raise in share price alone pays for a pair of AVP - or work on your bonus or income or wait for generation 3 .. 4 - like i did with the iphone - I bought the first iPhone ever when the price was in the region I accept for Smartphones - needless to say that my latest iPhone 14 PRO exceeded that previous price level by 4x full maxed out.
I would get the AVP at any price tag and to be frank:
The AVP brings so many options and ideas in a package that will not be rivaled by any competitor for a long tome to come.
I do not get the idea that people look at the 1st gen as the final product - it never was and will be - it's a demonstrator to start with and it's the development platform to work on for future incarnations. The ideas behind and the initial package is nothing less than a masterpiece - not for everyone yet - got it. But for the developers, enthusiasts and curious people that like to explore new things.
Compare to other spendings in my life this is negligible if not irrelevant - just payed € 2 k for a nozzle in my Porsche to be repaired - a € 4 k headset is in comparison a piece of cake financially.
I guess many are confused with this pricing - the price for the initial device is irrelevant - it is probably almost impossible to get one and the grey market will benefit from lucky ones selling their device.
get over it - in case it's not for you
( now let the bashing begin )
I've been following MacRumors for more than a decade and I always enjoyed the interesting articles and most of the time the comments as well - though I did not feel the need to add some of my thoughts since for the most part my ideas had been covered bye others and I am already participating more forums and thus it was for my information and pleasure.
In recent times things seem to have changed. To be more precise:
- comments are less informative
- comments are more harsh
- comments are less informed
- comments are for the most part relying on downgrading others
- comments seem to be more a self revelation than brining extra information
This is a really bad development and I am shocked by the narrow minded views and negativeness and lack of respect for others.
The AVP is a very good example for that.
I can see only one root cause for that - knowing that our decisions are for the most part driven by instincts rather than free will.
It's the price tag of the initial device that seems to tick a box at most brains and leads to very infantile reactions - to say the least.
I am undoubtedly the target audience of Ferrari, Lamborghini and/or McLaren since I adore sportscars and I#d love to own one - unfortunately I only managed to buy a nice Porsche - but nonetheless i get the idea of getting a different car. In fact I love the ideas of Koenigsegg even though they are even further aways from my possibilities.
I like the idea of using all possibilities to craft a masterpiece. May it be in cooking or sports or music or cars or computers. It's not about faster or more horsepower - it's all about refinement and perfection for the intended use case.
The AVP seem to become a masterpiece in headsets - I can't get my head around the idea not to like the refinement Apple has done.
In case the initial price tag is too high for you go ahead and try to make it more achievable for you by earring more money or simply concentrate on other things in life.
The recent raise in share price alone pays for a pair of AVP - or work on your bonus or income or wait for generation 3 .. 4 - like i did with the iphone - I bought the first iPhone ever when the price was in the region I accept for Smartphones - needless to say that my latest iPhone 14 PRO exceeded that previous price level by 4x full maxed out.
I would get the AVP at any price tag and to be frank:
- the price of the initial version is irrelevant since it will be not the final product
- Apple will not lower the starting price due to comments in forums
- Some People will love it - just face it - you might not be among them in case it's too pricy for you
- Apple will define a new category of devices
- Apple will be successful on the long run
- People will look back at the WWDC 2023 and know that this has been the starting point
The AVP brings so many options and ideas in a package that will not be rivaled by any competitor for a long tome to come.
I do not get the idea that people look at the 1st gen as the final product - it never was and will be - it's a demonstrator to start with and it's the development platform to work on for future incarnations. The ideas behind and the initial package is nothing less than a masterpiece - not for everyone yet - got it. But for the developers, enthusiasts and curious people that like to explore new things.
Compare to other spendings in my life this is negligible if not irrelevant - just payed € 2 k for a nozzle in my Porsche to be repaired - a € 4 k headset is in comparison a piece of cake financially.
I guess many are confused with this pricing - the price for the initial device is irrelevant - it is probably almost impossible to get one and the grey market will benefit from lucky ones selling their device.
- I am glad we're living in a time where the personal holodeck becomes reality
- I can't wait to see what creative minds will do with it
- I can't wait to get my own hands on it
- I'd probably sell other stuff to be able to afford it
- I'd even trade in a vacation for this device in case needed
get over it - in case it's not for you
( now let the bashing begin )
And if it ends up being too clunky, maybe Apple could partner with camera manufacturers to create "Spatial Cameras" that can shoot in the new format.Apple needs to modify the iPhone 16 designed and move one camera to the bottom so we can start recording stereo videos for our VP.
They could market it as "Supports Spatial Video" or something along those lines. This removes some of the risk off Apple's hands, if an iPhone with stereo cameras wouldn't sell well.
Fujifilm is relatively trendy and can pull it off. Or maybe Insta360 since they have some experience in the area.
I could totally see down the line--maybe in a decade--instant cameras like Fujifilm's printing out physical photos that can then be viewed via Vision to play video. Just like in Harry Potter. Maybe with a QR code in the white space underneath to identify the Spatial Memory.
I think once a non-Pro product releases we'll really see the Vision lineup take off.
I have no doubt the Vision Pro will do well in its particular niche, but for mainstream adoption it's practically a given that the Vision Pro simple won't be that product.
And I'm really glad Apple went with this route of starting in the high end.
They're basically flexing their capabilities and showing what one can expect from a spatial computer in the years to come. Most people might not want--or be able to afford--the product today. But they probably will in the future.
I see it akin to the iPad. Not everyone needs or wants one the same way we need phones and computers, but the iPad found its audience and its uses cases. Much like the Vision will eventually.
And maybe--and this is a big maybe--most people will own one. This is subject to how comfortable/convenient they can physically be compared to phones. There might be a technological limit to how small spatial computers get.
Hard to say from the scant, non-technical information in the article, but this is probably about high bandwidth, not low latency, and it's probably LPDDR5T. https://news.skhynix.com/sk-hynix-develops-worlds-fastest-mobile-dram-lpddr5t/
Yeah its going to take a while, but I think this is that next piece of tech that takes society in a
I do think this is going to be that next Apple device that will become mainstream in a few years. They have to get over the initial hump of getting it off the ground. The only thing that will suck on this device is, the "i have the first gen with M2, but now they have M4 and mine is lagging" replacement cycle. I guess that would fall in line with the Mac lineup though.
If it came down in price perhaps I could get one one day instead of replacing my aging monitors with a few big high quality displays. Will be interesting to watch the hardware and software mature. WWDC's are going to be so long now, they may have to break up the software presentations over multiple days...
I think we’ll still be on M2/M3 when the Vision Pro releases.
Because so far we’ve been on a roughly 2 year cycle between M chips.
But agreed. The M2 will still seem outdated by then. And tbh I’m hoping they would figure out a way to put the M3 on there for the launch. Not happening but would be nice for the energy efficiency improvements alone.