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Time to invest in some R&D Samsung. Let's hope you can come up with some decent and competitive designs that aren't "inspired" by the iPhone.
 
2-Way Cut Possible?

Is it possible for an appeal to go against the appealing defendant? It should be. As an incentive to not dirty the courts with bogus appeals.

I'd like to think that an appeals court were in the habit of affirming a judgement like this with an attitude like:

"Ya know, since you mention it, a billion just doesn't seem like it's enough. How does twenty sound?"
 
I can't believe there are people who think we're better off now that other phones have fewer features.

They need to do away with software patents.

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This is not how monopolies form, no matter how much you wish it to be so.

Really? I think the patent system creates monopolies all the time. Apple has a patent on phones with round edges.
 
Samsuck make good products only because they have copied others. Sony, RIM, Nokia, Palm and now Apple. The only ones this outcome will hurt, are the ones who copy others. So you're applauding theft? If I came into your home and took whatever I wanted, you'd be ok with that? The only ones who don't like this judgement, are the fandroids, and the thief called samsuck.

I didn't say Samsung was original. I said they made good products....big difference there.

Last sentence is not only stupid, but also untrue. There are a lot of folks, myself included, who are not happy with the decision for various reasons, but being a fandroid isn't one of them.

Maybe Samsung can get some of the money for payment by suing you for libel. I'd be careful making reckless statements. ;)

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Time to invest in some R&D Samsung. Let's hope you can come up with some decent and competitive designs that aren't "inspired" by the iPhone.

You mean like all the devices that were not involved in this lawsuit? :D
 
They did something none of us did. They examined both sides cases and the facts at hand and made a decision based on US Laws, that resulted in a unanimous decision for Apple.

The jury did do something nobody expected: they miraculously digested 100 pages of jury instructions, then examined all the evidence in detail, worked through a 20 page checklist, and calculated damages... all in less than three days.

Considering that experts take up to a year to determine such things for a single patent, their validity and awards should not be determined by a thrown together jury in just hours.

Court observers had predicted that it would take at least a week just to go through all the material, and probably another week after that with some questions to the judge. This jury didn't ask a single question. It seems likely that some of the jury was in over their head and deferred to the foreman's decisions.

Microsoft/Nokia did it right, Samsung could of too, instead they copied and willfully violated patents and lost.

Samsung definitely went for the same look and feel, without making an exact copy. I think Apple deserved some compensation there.

However, Samsung also clearly believed that some of Apple's patents were invalid and thus could not be infringed upon. This belief had been backed up in various courts overseas. I think they were right to fight, but they should've gone for a different look in the meantime.
 
This verdict not only means good things for Apple, but it almost certainly means good things for the market. Now companies are persuaded to make their OWN phones and their OWN designs and their OWN touch gestures. It means we won't just see knock offs of the iPhone, we'll see brand new ideas and designs. That's the best thing.


I wouldn't hold your breath on Samsung doing any of that though - they'll go find someone else to copy. Someone who's not powerful enough to take them to court. ;)

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Its about prior galaxy models and not about S3 as far as i am aware.

Correct. Apple did not take Samsung to court over the GSIII. Arguably Samsung's first piece of innovation in the mobile market. The issues were with the GSI and GSII being slavish copies of the iPhone - which they quite clearly were.
 
Appeal bond

Honestly, in this case that shouldn't be necessary, because Apple makes billions in payments to Samsung every quarter.

Seems like that would be small potatoes to Samsung. Understand they make that every 24 days.
We're about to get 500+ posts raving about the wonderful patent system we have, "serves Samsung right," "now sue the rest of them Apple", "did Google die", etc.

Or, we're about to get 500+ posts finding huge fault with the "outdated, antiquated" patent system we have, "Apple should appeal," "Apple should immediately cut all business relations with all Samsung units," etc.
 
This verdict not only means good things for Apple, but it almost certainly means good things for the market. Now companies are persuaded to make their OWN phones and their OWN designs and their OWN touch gestures. It means we won't just see knock offs of the iPhone, we'll see brand new ideas and designs. That's the best thing.


I wouldn't hold your breath on Samsung doing any of that though - they'll go find someone else to copy. Someone who's not powerful enough to take them to court. ;)

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Correct. Apple did not take Samsung to court over the GSIII. Arguably Samsung's first piece of innovation in the mobile market. The issues were with the GSI and GSII being slavish copies of the iPhone - which they quite clearly were.

How is it a good thing that all phones will rely on different interaction schemes? When you drive your friends car, do you think its a bad thing that you can drive it without much hazzle? Or when you are using your friends stove, computer, tv, etc. Plus, the gestures werent even Apples to begin with.
 
Jury in Apple v. Samsung Goofed, Uh Oh. What's Wrong With this Picture?

www.groklaw.net/article.php

_The foreman told a court representative that the jurors had reached a decision without needing the instructions._

_If this jury thought they knew the right result without instructions, and if they hurried so much they made glaring mistakes, and they did, and all in Apple's favor, something isn't right in this picture. As the legal blog, Above the Law expressed it:

Here’s the thing, ladies and gentlemen of the Apple v. Samsung jury: It would take me more than three days to understand all the terms in the verdict! Much less come to a legally binding decision on all of these separate issues. Did you guys just flip a coin?

If it would take a lawyer three days to make sure he understood the terms in the form, how did the jury not need the time to do the same? There were 700 questions, remember, and one thing is plain, that the jury didn't take the time to avoid inconsistencies, one of which resulted in the jury casually throwing numbers around, like $2 million dollars for a nonfringement.

Come on. This is farce._
 
How is it a good thing that all phones will rely on different interaction schemes? When you drive your friends car, do you think its a bad thing that you can drive it without much hazzle? Or when you are using your friends stove, computer, tv, etc. Plus, the gestures werent even Apples to begin with.

What other companies PATENT the GUESTURES? huh? Name some. IF there were..why weren't there any lawsuit.
 
Good for apple, while I don't agree with the decesion to uphold that crap. But I do feel they have awakened a sleeping giant. Known as google.

Appke has also set a precendent that they will sue people ove a rectangle.


In the Process of This Presenting Huge Volume of Documents that Shows Clearly " Samesung "'s Infringement, It also Shows that at least Some Google's Tech Staff Had Much to Do with " This Infringement ".

So Google NEVER Be Able to Get Away of This Dirty Business Case.


Ha, hardly. Google is in rapid decline, and the evidence is everywhere. Like so many other online web companies, Google burned extremely brightly extremely quickly. They peaked not long ago, and are now in freefall. The quality of almost all of their services has been in steady decline, and I do believe this will mark the assured decline of Android as well.


Absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I Really Noticed that Google's Service on the Web of late Have a Lot of " Something Wrong ".
 
What other companies PATENT the GUESTURES? huh? Name some. IF there were..why weren't there any lawsuit.

First, gestures. Second, i dont give a ****. That Apple are allowed to patent crap despite massive prior art doesn't make anything right, just everything more wrong. Under your line of reasoning, Hitler would've been in the right, had he only succeeded with his plans. Fortunately, many of us disagree with that style of thinking.

(Goodwin's Law. YES!)
 
First, gestures. Second, i dont give a ****. That Apple are allowed to patent crap despite massive prior art doesn't make anything right, just everything more wrong. Under your line of reasoning, Hitler would've been in the right, had he only succeeded with his plans. Fortunately, many of us disagree with that style of thinking.

(Goodwin's Law. YES!)

Thx for avoiding the question.
 
The Groklaw article:

That quote about not needing instructions was apparently in reference to fixing their errors on the jury form, NOT for the initial deliberation. I can't confirm, but I believe that was the scenario.

As for the entire article, it's clear that this pj person has a dislike for Apple in this particular case and reading that post just conjures up the image of a child screaming because they didn't get their way.

Under your line of reasoning, Hitler would've been in the right, had he only succeeded with his plans
Seriously, you're going to go there over a court case over copying?
 
The Groklaw article:

That quote about not needing instructions was apparently in reference to fixing their errors on the jury form, NOT for the initial deliberation. I can't confirm, but I believe that was the scenario.

As for the entire article, it's clear that this pj person has a dislike for Apple in this particular case and reading that post just conjures up the image of a child screaming because they didn't get their way.


Seriously, you're going to go there over a court case over copying?

Yes. Goodwin is strong within me. Other than that, i also like ad absurdums. Ironically, Goodwin and absurdums play very well together. So once more: Yes, i am going to go there - not over a court case, however, but over ****** reasoning.

Theres more to life than de jure.
 
OK - this is something people need to know about :

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390

It didn't dawn on us [that we agreed that Samsung had infringed] on the first day," Ilagan said. "We were debating heavily, especially about the patents on bounce back and pinch-to-zoom. Apple said they owned patents, but we were debating about the prior art [about the same technology that Samsung said existed before the iPhone debuted]. [Velvin Hogan] was jury foreman. He had experience. He owned patents himself. In the beginning the debate was heated, but it was still civil. Hogan holds patents, so he took us through his experience. After that it was easier. After we debated that first patent -- what was prior art --because we had a hard time believing there was no prior art, that there wasn't something out there before Apple.

"In fact we skipped that one," Ilagan continued, "so we could go on faster. It was bogging us down." ...

So, the jury decided to skip the entire concept of prior art?
 
I still think that the multi touch like tap to zoom and pinch to zoom shouldn't be patented but the row of icons and physical phone design with Samsung was too close to Apple's.
 
I can't believe there are people who think we're better off now that other phones have fewer features.

They need to do away with software patents.

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Really? I think the patent system creates monopolies all the time. Apple has a patent on phones with round edges.

And still you are wrong. A patent gives you a exclusive right to "something" for some period of time, but the fact that you have a patent does not make you a monopoly. Of course, as it is clear you dont seem to grasp what a monopoly is, maybe this is lost on you.
 
OK - this is something people need to know about :

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2012082510525390



So, the jury decided to skip the entire concept of prior art?

Well no ****. Apple didn't invent round edges or multitouch or square icons with round edges

That's the thing that bugs me about this thread. People say "hey, Samsung tried to copy apple! serves them right".. nobody looked at the damn patents and actually tried to discern if Apple had the right to own those things... and no, the answer is clearly that No, Apple can't own what was already out there--or at least shouldn't be able to.
 
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