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Apple vs. Windows

7on said:
iBook or 12" Powerbook

That's what I would get. But I don't play many games. Also, in my experience OSX is way faster multitasking than Windows. Try burning a CD, encoding a DVD, playing iTunes, and browsing the internet. Well on OSX all ran smoothly. Plus I didn't mention Chatting as well. OSX has excellent memory management. This makes it seem faster than convential x86 processors. It is also why it Macs can be slower than PCs and PCs sometimes slower than Macs. Running one app at a time (like games) in a PC is clearly faster. However, in "real" apps Macs pull ahead.
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I wonder what you mean by "real apps". Some reason this reminds me of the same reason Intel Hyperthreading allows the user multitask "better".

Isn't it true in both cases, that optimizations are one of the biggest factors? With Apple, as a company using specific hardware, the software is also written specifically for its architecture--and if it isn't, perhaps these "real" apps will run slower.

Has anyone done a study on this? I know with Intel, HT puts Pentiums up on a pedastal b/c of the inherent HT optimizations, while AMD relies on architecture/chipset advantages ALONE to optimize (while the FX/64's have sse2, they do not have HThreading).
 
markjones05 said:
You shouldn't. I had a 2.5 Ghz Dell laptop that ran like a snail compared to an 800mhz G4 iBook. Apples are built more efficiently to maximize clock speed. The people at Apple said as an example to me one time a 1 GHZ G4 Apple is roughly equivelant to a 2-2.5 GHZ P4 PC.
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Heh, I believe the difference between the P4 Mobile and Pentium Mobile (Centrino) illustrates this discrepancy. And old review, but still surprising at the least.

http://www6.tomshardware.com/mobile/20030205/centrino-15.html#direct_3d_performance_3d_mark_2001_se

Using game performance (as an overall) comparison between the two, pay attention to the bottom two QuakeIII benches.

1) 75 fps vs. 148 fps
(2.2 P4-M vs. 1.6 P-M).

2) 63 fps vs. 233 fps.

While the vid cards are different (ATi 7500 for P4-M, Geforce4 440go for P-M), the lower clock rate still should raise some eyebrows *_*
 
purell16 said:
Well, Im gonna have to say I am very dissapointed. I have never owned an apple before so I really wanted one. The entire time I thought that apple computers were way faster than Pentium's. But it seems like I was wrong.
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keep reading
 
markjones05 said:
You shouldn't. I had a 2.5 Ghz Dell laptop that ran like a snail compared to an 800mhz G4 iBook. Apples are built more efficiently to maximize clock speed. The people at Apple said as an example to me one time a 1 GHZ G4 Apple is roughly equivelant to a 2-2.5 GHZ P4 PC.
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This is very true. The RISC architecture used in the PowerPC is a far more efficient one than the CISC Pentium.

The classic example is this. If it takes the PowerPC 3 steps to do something and the Pentium 7, then even if the Pentium has twice the clock speed it will still be slower.

Add into more technical things like pipe stalls, and you'll see that MHZ/GHZ is not a very accurate measure of how efficient a proccesor is.
 
powerbook4me said:
No, they all aren't cheap plastic and thicker.....

Just becuase you haven't seen one, doesn't mean they don't exist.
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Why don't you enlighten us with a link then? ;)

Not that I don't believe you, but I too have yet to see a PC laptop and think, "Wow, there's a good looking laptop!"
 
stoid said:
Why don't you enlighten us with a link then? ;)

Not that I don't believe you, but I too have yet to see a PC laptop and think, "Wow, there's a good looking laptop!"
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Nah, not willing to put that much effort into this thread.
 
purell16 said:
what Laptop does everyone recommend on a budget of $1700?
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I'd recommend the 15" Refurb Powerbook for $1499 on Apples site over the 12" PB, unless you really want the portability. Larger/better screen plus much faster video card for nearly the same price as the 12" make it worthwhile.
 
purell16 said:
does anyone know if you can get the educational discount in high school?
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If you're a student, no. If your mom or dad is a teacher or administrator, then yes.

If you are a high school senior that has already been accepted into college, then you can purchase through your universities education store.
 
Hey guys,

Once the original poster has said "okay, thanks, I'm getting a 12-inch Powerbook" don't you think the endless silly debates about how PCs sux0rz or c3ntr!n0 rul3z could, like, die; or at least go somewhere else? There are dozens - maybe even hundreds - of near-identical argumen... er, threads already on this forum. It's pretty pointless.
 
powerbook4me said:
Common Apple-user misconception: There are other nice looking x86 laptops out there, they just cost a bit more ;)
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Geeez here we go again...
Got links to back it up or is this just again an "opinion" of you?

powerbook4me said:
Nah, not willing to put that much effort into this thread.
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Great, why don't you save us the time and don't post at all. I believe we had a discussion about your inane posts before... it's just wasting everyone's time having to read it and my time responding to it which I will cease to do from now on.
Gotta love the ignore feature. :D
 
Diatribe said:
Geeez here we go again...
Got links to back it up or is this just again an "opinion" of you?



Great, why don't you save us the time and don't post at all. I believe we had a discussion about your inane posts before... it's just wasting everyone's time having to read it and my time responding to it which I will cease to do from now on.
Gotta love the ignore feature. :D
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Oh get a ****ing life.
Most people on here with a little common sense know that there are good looking PC laptops out there, they just cost more $$.
 
powerbook4me said:
Oh get a ****ing life.
Most people on here with a little common sense know that there are good looking PC laptops out there, they just cost more $$.
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I would like to see one, as would other members I am sure. Help us to have some common sense.

Stoid if your really interested check out www.dynamism.com
Its all imported laptops from around the world. I found it interesting. You might have seen it already. I didn't find anything as cool as an PB/iBook though. And I agree with you, I have yet to see a PC that looks as good as an Apple
 
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