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Apple Wants to Produce Comedies and Dramas That Are Viewer Friendly Enough for Apple Stores
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That seems like a HORRIBLE idea given what we have learned in this article. What if they bought netflix and instituted the same sanitation policy?
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I think we have enough violence in our media. However, I don't think we have enough sexuality and nudity. For me, adding nudity is like adding a very good spice to your food. It can make bland content more bearable, and turn very good content into something excellent.
Then we have to agree to disagree on two key points. First, when you have a dominant platform like the iPad or iPhone, and they completely control the content that you can put on it, they absolutely do IMHO have the ability to practice censorship. Censorship is defined as "suppressing content deemed objectionable on moral, military, political, or other grounds." Apple openly says the restrict content they deem morally objectionable. So i don't see how anyone can argue they don't censor. And second, i agree with one of the prior posters who said that it is our job as parents (i have three daughters) to make sure our kids are watching what we think it is best for them to watch. While you might thing it makes things easier for you personally to just have someone that agrees with you on what content you personally like to restrict content for everyone... you are taking away other people's ability to see and view and listen to what they wish. This to me is a very selfish, and dangerous path.
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Haha.... i agree with you there. Others, like Grumpy Mom, clearly disagree. For violence perhaps we all agree. But what i'm firmly against is that she thinks its okay to tell us what we should like or be able to watch, instead of just letting adults make up their own minds and watch what makes them happy.
And as for sexuality and nudity... i wish everyone had a chance to go to Europe and watch television over there. They have nudity and sexuality on regular channels all the time. And regular channels after 8 or 9 at night can turn into soft porn practically. They are just much more open minded about it, and it is much more of a natural thing. Its such a big deal here because people make it such.
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"The report claims Apple wants every show it produces to be suitable enough for an Apple Store, as opposed to content with nudity, raw language, and violence."
In other words, good for god loving and god fearing Christians with supposedly high moral and ethical 'standards' of life. A bit to 50's for me.
Why series like GoT or other succes series like Breaking Bad are so succesvol is not because it contains foul language or sexual explicit scenes but because it contains a good balance between so called decency and so called raw and rough sounding and looking material. It's the balance that counts, to much decency turns a movie or serie into a boring unrealistic movie or serie, and with to much violence and/or s ex into a cliché of itself.
In other words, good for god loving and god fearing Christians with supposedly high moral and ethical 'standards' of life.
A bit to 50's for me.Why series like GoT or other succes series like Breaking Bad are so succesvol is not because it contains foul language or sexual explicit scenes but because it contains a good balance between so called decency and so called raw and rough sounding and looking material. It's the balance that counts, to much decency turns a movie or serie into a boring unrealistic movie or serie, and with to much violence and/or s ex into a cliché of itself.
Pretty funny. The US censors themselves much more than the rest of the world. I was pretty surprised at how some of this content starts airing as early as 9 PM. Then again if you think about it and if this is so abundant and widespread, you become desensitized, so most of the sexuality/nudity will not be much of an issue.
I disagree.
The sexual content and violence is not just in the series because "they can put it there", it contributes a lot in giving characters more depth. It's stating a lot of someone's personality if the character is using "slaves" mainly for personal sexual lust without showing any feelings towards his or her's sexual counterpart or not. The same with violence, when a character likes to slaughter someone in a brutally way versus someone who has difficulty to kill an ant...
Simplistic examples but perfectly suitable to show the audience what kind of character he or she is looking at.
This is, of course, all in the eye of the beholder.
I don’t want to tell you what to watch or not watch. I don’t want to impose on you in any way and I will certainly be considerate enough to contemplate your point of view further. I know you don’t know me, but some people on this forum have engaged in discussion with me before and know I try to give a fair hearing to opposing points of view. It’s not unheard of for me to end up being persuaded to the other point of view, as long as I’m treated with consideration and respect.
I do see what is bothering you about this. I don’t have a handy solution that makes everyone happy. The only thing I can think of is, if you feel your interests are in danger of being marginalized or in effect banned, perhaps there is something you and others who feel the same can do to persuade Apple to provide another subsection of their walled garden that has the content you prefer. That seems reasonable to me. We all can get what we want.
It does require a bit of effort but people who sought things on the flip side like parental controls and beefed up ratings systems had to also exert effort to get their side heard and acted upon. I don’t imagine Apple wants to alienate a significant part of their customer base. I think they are just trying to offer a particular environment to a subset of their customers they may feel comprise a lucrative market.
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I just want to attempt to clarify my perspective. I say “attempt” because I’m not a very good writer and struggle all of the time for the right words to express myself. It is why I’m not good at being concise.
Anyway, it is not necessarily the themes I object to. It’s how these themes are often handled. I’ve watched enough and read enough to see there’s too much objectification of women’s bodies in the way sex and sexual violence is portrayed in the media and our culture. I know at the root of it is that it’s not because there’s a higher purpose of improving the quality of a story or anything like that. It’s because it sells. It’s what apparently most people want to see. And the majority rules and I accept that and try to live with the way it is.
But it is not an easy thing for me as a woman to accept as part of entertainment. As a very very little child I narrowly escaped a man who likely was going to rape and kill me. There were women in my family who were victimized and traumatized in the graphic ways depicted in movies and tv shows so again, it’s something I can’t find any redeemable entertainment value in personally, the way women’s bodies are used in so many shows.
And sadly I also see or hear of men being more objectified and subjected to humiliation in graphic ways in entertainment. I just find it hard to watch. It hurts my heart. It’s got nothing to do with me being stuck in the past or overtly religious or any of the many things other people in this thread assume about people with my viewing preferences. I just have a visceral reaction of despair, pain or unease to so much of what is depicted in entertainment. I do not find edification or entertaininment in the blatant visuals, for lack of a better way to put it.
Again, it’s not the themes per se. As a very young child I watched the mini series “Roots” and the original mini series certainly did not shy away from tackling and depicting the horrors experienced by a slave. As an audience we were aware what happened to Kunta Kinte and the scene where he is brutally maimed was filmed in a way that let the audience experience it without wallowing in the depravity of seeing his foot actually hacked off.
In some ways that made the whole horror easier to process rather than hardening us to it. Because you do sort of have to detach yourself from your emotions to endure watching someone actually graphically maimed right before your eyes. Even if you know it’s not real. Because you know these things happen in reality.
I just out of curiosity looked up the original film and saw there had been a remake in 2016. The remake has the scene “My name is Toby” handled very differently. While it is more gory, it is less effective in my opinion. The original had Le Var Burton portray his suffering with amazing acting and his moans of pain let you know this was horrific suffering even if they didn’t show his back being bloodied the way it is in the remake. Meanwhile they juxtaposed those sounds with his friend pleading with the indifferent master over his fate. The indifference of the master and the fact the desperate slave felt he had to beg mercy for his friend in terms of protecting the master’s financial investment perfectly encapsulated the horror of slavery: it was not just the sadism itself but the reduction of human lives to mere financial commodities. And supposedly respectable men using the institution of slavery to rip the very identity of another human being away from them. I think by focusing on the gore and amping up the violence of the scene, the remake detracted from the message compared to the way the original handled it.
Oh well I have only a few more years left on this planet anyway and absolutely zero influence on anything that happens on it. So don’t mind me. This is Apple’s decision, not mine and there are more people like you than there are like me. I’m not the demographic any business seeks. I have a feeling you will get your way before long.
I'm not angry, I'm annoyed and irritated that some parents think the world should revolves around them and their kids just because they don't want to parent or talk to their kids about "uncomfortable" things.
Well I think being happy about Apple’s news isn’t quite wanting the world to revolve around me since there’s so many ways to get varied content, but I think you’re being reasonable.
Can i ask you a question? The eBay app for iPad/iPhone... does not have a category listing for Mature Audiences. Apple would not allow this. So for mature adults who wish to purchase anything that falls into the Mature Audiences category (and this is a pretty broad category, covering a lot of things)... people are forced to not use the eBay app, they must instead use a web browser and use the website that way (which is not nearly as nice of an experience on a smaller device as is using an app.
Do you think its appropriate for Apple to decide that a Mature Audiences category, which is where people would list anything that you would only want to sell to an adult, is "immoral" and not appropriate to include in an app on your iDevice? They can't make the argument that they are protecting children, because even the website requires you to reenter your password and confirm that you are an adult before proceeding, and you could require the same thing on the App.
Its just one example to me of where Apple forces their idea of morality on people that i don't agree with.
Edit: I use this example, because you mentioned a few days ago that you dont think Apple is censoring if they choose to not make content you dont like. But in this example, Apple is not involved in the content making at all. They are merely interfering with two third parties from being able to barter items that Apple doesn't like.
I don’t go on EBay anymore, it’s been more years than I realized until now and back when I did I didn’t use their app. I used the web site. It’s a little hard for me to answer your question because of total lack of familiarity, lol, and I was up at 3 helping my husband try and get an IPhone X so I’m operating off of barely any sleep. Forgive me if I make less sense than usual.
I’m not sure Apple is making a morality judgement or what their reasoning is on the EBay thing. Maybe their lawyers said it could open them up to lawsuits or trouble with the law if somebody sold something a hair too shady, like maybe something with content that turned out to involve a minor or something like that.
I kind of think it’s just some sort of marketing reasoning why in some places they go family friendly or whatever you want to call it and others they are more permissive—no matter how they may end up explaining things. I mean they didn’t shy away from endorsing Dre and R. Kelly and I can get the Explicit versions of the songs I want like Pink’s full version of “Perfect”. So can my kids, which is why I periodically check over their playlists.
I know it’s really hard to buy anything through a third party Apple app. Like I can’t buy books through my Kindle reader on the Kindle App and and my 12 year old couldn’t get comics through her comics app anymore and that was all down to money not morality. That’s why I play around with Android. I get more freedom because Google isn’t demanding a cut from all the in app purchases the way Apple is.
So I’m facing inconveniences and restrictions I gotta work around, too, and it has nothing to do with morals or tastes and just down to money.
I’m not sure why Apple lets Pink sell the F bomb version of her songs on Apple Music but you probably won’t get to see boobs and blood for the viewable content. Take that up with Tim, not me. I have no idea.
I liked what I liked because I liked it but you don’t and that’s all good. I’m not on this planet to tell you how to live your life. I got my hands full living my own. Zzzzzzz
definitely a sunglasses day.
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Well, they have already said it is because they dont want adult/mature content available through the App Store. And whats scary is that so many Americans dont give a crap. If its not something they personally want or care about, then whatever. And so the next step down the road is if Tim and Apple decide to not let books on the iBooks store that are politically against what they believe in.
Some people wonder how countries that have little freedoms got to where they are.. and this is why. People dont care, right up until the point that is way too late. No public outcry at each little encroachment of rights... because only that handful that really cares about each little step is vocal.. so at any given time there is no large uproar. And then one day something you do care about is impacted...
Well, they have already said it is because they dont want adult/mature content available through the App Store. And whats scary is that so many Americans dont give a crap. If its not something they personally want or care about, then whatever. And so the next step down the road is if Tim and Apple decide to not let books on the iBooks store that are politically against what they believe in.
Some people wonder how countries that have little freedoms got to where they are.. and this is why. People dont care, right up until the point that is way too late. No public outcry at each little encroachment of rights... because only that handful that really cares about each little step is vocal.. so at any given time there is no large uproar. And then one day something you do care about is impacted...
Well I think there would be a problem if the government got too heavy with the censorship. With businesses it’s sort of assumed the market will dictate things eventually. Actually if you are worried about where this is leading then read up on China’s growing influence on our entertainment industry and content. That’s an eye opener.
Come to think of it maybe you were the one to bring that up earlier in the thread.
Anyway they are the huge market everybody is courting. Studios are starting to self censor with an eye to not angering their government and getting locked out of distribution in China.
I am not sad that Apple won't republicans and those on the right publish their white supremacist and nazi games into the App Store
That's one decision I won't have to make; even less reason to swap to Apple Music/TV from Spotify, Netflix and Amazon.