Apple Wants to Triple iPhone Production in India, Claims Report

[Chazak]

Picking this as one of many several comments. We say the exploitative labor in China is bad, while fully admitting that paying people American levels of wages breaks the whole system. Well which is it, does this mean we're ok with the exploitative labor? Are these really the only two choices, made by slaves or economically infeasible?

Macro versus Micro and how much is someone willing to pay to support the Macro issues? Not much at all. Most people outside of the country in question are not willing to pay to solve what they see as China's or whoever's problem. They don't see it as a problem for which they have responsibility. You are not going to "fix" China and their labor market by deciding to change the country of assembly for your phone.

You are free to make your own choices and I would suggest that using I instead of we would be better suited to expressing your point. I would recommend you speak from the first person singular when expressing your opinion and not assume you are speaking for others.

 

[Chazak]

China and Russia are economically on the way out. I suspect other parts of Asia, Africa and South America will be taking their place.

China is far from being on their way out. Russia is not part of the conversation for this industry and never has been. The parts of Asia not currently part of the supply and manufacturing for export chain lack the infrastructure and labor skill required or they would already be a part of it. The same applies (at this time) to Africa and South America

 

[Chazak]

That will never happen. Not only related to the cost but related to the quality of the work. American workers are slow, lazy and stupid. There is no QC.

That is about as sweeping of a generalization as I have seen in this thread.

What metrics are you using to make that statement or is it just stereotypes?

 

[Chazak]

Rubbish... Tesla makes its cars here, Boeing it's airplanes, etc... they don't cost 40% more than global competition.

Build the phones sold in the U.S. in the U.S.

American purchases should profit American workers.

Rubbish? You have facts to support that or are you just making an ideological statement?

Comparing cars and commercial aviation to mobile phones is like comparing "Apples" to oranges. Sounds impactful, but it is irrelevant. I also think you are not too knowledgable about the supply and manufacturing chains for either of those products.

 

[ghanwani]

Great. I wish apple would give people the choice of buying iPhones built in countries with slightly more pleasant regimes than China. I'd much rather buy a phone from India - a country not without issues but at least a democracy, than China.

I don't know about that. I really think Apple is to blame. They squeeze their contract manufacturers who in turn are forced to engage in questionable labor practices.

Workers riot at India iPhone factory over 'exploitation' claims

Authorities vowed to crack down on workers who went on a violent rampage at a Taiwanese-run iPhone factory in southern India over allegations of unpaid wages and exploitation, with 100 people arrested so far.

techxplore.com

And Apple pretends to be the good guy because they didn't do it directly.

 

[CarAnalogy]

Macro versus Micro and how much is someone willing to pay to support the Macro issues? Not much at all. Most people outside of the country in question are not willing to pay to solve what they see as China's or whoever's problem. They don't see it as a problem for which they have responsibility. You are not going to "fix" China and their labor market by deciding to change the country of assembly for your phone.

You are free to make your own choices and I would suggest that using I instead of we would be better suited to expressing your point. I would recommend you speak from the first person singular when expressing your opinion and not assume you are speaking for others.

I'm not really making a point. I say we meaning posters on this forum. I just think it's a conundrum that many people seem to recognize that it's not OK the way China treats its workers, but also take for granted that it's economically impossible to do it in America. I would like to think that it's actually not economically impossible, but I have no idea how to get to there from here.

 

[SenorWhyMe]

Wish the headline said “apple wants to move all production to the United States”

I would pay extra for the made in america; I buy my work boots made in usa why can’t I buy my phone , tv and computers this

 

[Luis Ortega]

Do you also wish for your new iPhone to cost an extra $800?

Nah, much better to use slave labor to keep pampered affluenza sufferers happy. Why care who gets screwed so they can have a cheap phone?

 

[ackmondual]

How did you calculate this extra cost if it’s made in the US?

I'm assuming $800 was a "guestimate", but knowing Apple, they will mark up their products just because, they can :\

Funny how this is stated, tripling productivity in india, is still only a factional amount from what is produced in China.

Apple is tied at the hip with china. That in the big picture, and that will not change.

but ya it makes headlines, just like this one.

To be fair to Apple, this would be the thing. China does dominate in that category for various reasons. I'm glad to hear Apple wants to rely less on them, but, it really isn't that easy (otherwise, I figured it would've been done by now :\ )

 

[Bawstun]

Rubbish... Tesla makes its cars here, Boeing it's airplanes, etc... they don't cost 40% more than global competition.

Build the phones sold in the U.S. in the U.S.

American purchases should profit American workers.

This. It really is actually this simple.

 

[I7guy]

You might not have an interest in Clark’s reasoning for why he took Apple to China and why Clark felt the US wasn’t competitive but the post you quoted of mine wasn’t directed to you.

Just as a side note, it doesn’t matter who the posts are directed to. Anybody can reply to any post…but you knew that.

Now you are resorting to pointless bickering, being obtuse, and difficult.

Pot-kettle?

That‘s all that needed said. Glad I could help.

Yep. As said above the ceo is ultimately responsible for all decisions.

 

[I7guy]

Rubbish... Tesla makes its cars here, Boeing it's airplanes, etc... they don't cost 40% more than global competition.

Teslas are about 40% overpriced(imo), so there is that. Not only that they dont qualify for the tax subsidy.

Build the phones sold in the U.S. in the U.S.

American purchases should profit American workers.

It’s that simple?

 

[SnappleRumors]

Pot-kettle?

Nope. Not at all.

 

[pray2crom]

That won't happen unless people buying those phones are willing to pay several hundred dollars more.

Apple would be competing against products built with dramatically lower assembly costs. Most components would still be produced outside of America.

or.....or unless Apple is willing to make less profits but make profit-non-the-less for the betterment of America. You forget Apple is a trillion dollar company. They can go by making just shy a few trillion.

 

[DeepIn2U]

Wish the headline said “apple wants to move all production to the United States”

Do you also wish for your new iPhone to cost an extra $800?

The only way Apple should bring full production, or any percentage, to the USA or any other country for that matter should be full robotic assembly. Maybe even production.

I know this is NOT popular for countries whose citizens NEED to have a job as economic situations not favouring the non rich. But it’ll allow governments to have major incentives for Apple and its partners to foster major education in electronics, robotics, technology with a fab or chip design focus, programming, etc for designing assemblies chips and more into the future.

Being an Indian, I must say that it’s not an easy task to tripple the production. A lot of things to be changed to crete a large skilled workforce. Having almost a billion youth doesn't mean that the country is ready for any job.
Education system in India to be changed a lot. India still have 100 year old education system. In China communism kept people like slaves for many years. So, it was much easier for government to form them according to the need.

With proper guidelines and education system, two to three years are enough to change the direction. But how to do it is the question.

Seeing above, just how far back currently is India’s education compared to many of the western world?
Mathematics I’d guess they’re leaps and bounds ahead?
Physics,
Biology,
Electronics,
Or are you just focusing on English as a language for reading writing and speaking?

I don’t know honestly so I’m asking since you out it out there.

As I’ve mentioned in reply above, would Modi, current Prime Minister(?) not include an educational or building or homes clause in the contract with Apple and Foxconn before any assembly or busking had begun?

Kinross Gold Corp, when purchasing a gold mine back in 2010 had a clause with Mauritanian government to build homes and schools before any agreement was iron clad to approve the purchase and continue or expand mining. That was an original $6 billion deal which went up to $8.1 billion deal. Unfortunately the mine had crumbs or Gold despite what their core samples informed them of. The aftermath of the business was terrible since gold dropped from nearly $2400/troy ounce to just $7xx/troy ounce. All public knowledge and it was brutal. Many friends colleagues and others lost their jobs not to mention employee investments due to EPP.

Again that was just $8.1 billion. I’m sure such a deal that would be hugely long term over 10yrs would be very beneficial for all including citizens. I’m hoping such is done.

Would I pay $200CAN more for an iPhone mini 14/? If such a deal was done with India+Apple+Foxconn? A resounding YES!

 

[ericwn]

You can’t get to your complaint until the lack of talent willing to do the job, and the local and federal government being unwelcoming is addressed.

What was Cook’s and the executive leadership’s explanation to move production out of the US? Apple is not unique in their business decision.

In fairness the iPhone production was never IN America to begin with. Neither was the iPod’s and Macs have probably (Mac Pro excluded) not been made in the US in decades.

 

[ericwn]

I would pay extra for the made in america; I buy my work boots made in usa why can’t I buy my phone , tv and computers this

As to the why, because apart from a few folks in specific countries with potentially just patriotic interests, stock traded corporations care for profit maximisation and shareholder value and most consumers care more for price than place of assembly.

 

[SnappleRumors]

In fairness the iPhone production was never IN America to begin with. Neither was the iPod’s and Macs have probably (Mac Pro excluded) not been made in the US in decades.

There’s a pretty good article that covers the decision to move to China. Pretty sure it was the NYT. Have you seen it? I will try to find it if interested.

 

[ericwn]

There’s a pretty good article that covers the decision to move to China. Pretty sure it was the NYT. Have you seen it? I will try to find it if interested.

Sure thing, see if you can surface it, I’d be happy to take a look! Thanks!

 

[SnappleRumors]

Sure thing, see if you can surface it, I’d be happy to take a look! Thanks!

I saved it to pdf. Here’s the original. I have a subscription so if it is unavailable to you I will find a workaround.

How the U.S. Lost Out on iPhone Work (Published 2012)

Building Apple’s iPhone in the United States would demand much more than hiring Americans — it would require transforming the national and global economies.

www.nytimes.com

 

[4tune8chance]

Funny how this is stated, tripling productivity in india, is still only a factional amount from what is produced in China.

Apple is tied at the hip with china. That in the big picture, and that will not change.

but ya it makes headlines, just like this one.

One small step for Apple, one giant leap for management finally getting it.

 

[4tune8chance]

And see that right there is the myth. The actual truth is that large mega corporations like Apple overcharge for its products regardless of where they are built. Apple is worth $1 trillion dollars. Why are their phones so expensive? So that they can continue to hoard absurd amounts of wealth and pay top executives (eg not the people inventing anything) ridiculous bonuses.

They could move production into the west and cut the price of the iPhone and still make a sizeable profit easily. But the public has bought into this corporate nonsense and cult of wealth porn.

Wishful thinking I’m afraid, if your the only one who’s going to have ‘principles‘ the harsh reality is the the world is run by greed and you will go under.

 

[_Spinn_]

Good. This can’t come soon enough.

 

[tridley68]

That won't happen unless people buying those phones are willing to pay several hundred dollars more.

Apple would be competing against products built with dramatically lower assembly costs. Most components would still be produced outside of America.

I would gladly pay the extra for a phone built in the United states bring the production to the u.s. and grow our sluggish economy .

 

[UnusedLoginID]

So they're going from 1% of the total production to 3%? Nothing to write home about... especially if they'll be iPhone SEs and iPhone 12...