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This is a really bad suggestion. So you think Apple should lie to its investors? This is unethical and illegal.

You misunderstood what I said.

I'm saying the opposite (and agreeing that they should not be lying and should have been open about Google deal from get go ... that's what I quoted and was replying to and agreeing about)

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Interesting reading what people are saying about DuckDuckGo vs Google.

My default search is DuckDuckGo, but I always find myself reverting to Google if I need to do more deep-dive digging.

Similar with Apple Maps. It’s my default, and I’d rather use it all the time, but it’s full of errors and out of date listings.
 
Apple's profit last fiscal year was $93.7 billion. This is $20 billion. Profit is money not used by the company, so no, it's not for development; it's used to pad their profits.

Additionally, this money was pushed into the services revenue category. It pumped services and made it look more profitable that what it actually is. In other words, Apple has been lying.

Apple stock down 2.5% this morning on the news
 
Google paying Apple $20b is a huge amount, and for Apple the easiest pure profit!

I’m just curious as to how beneficial it has been for Google, do they easily recover and profit or are they doing just for the iPhone customers data?
 
Sitting here wondering how I would feel if I suddenly lost a 20 billion a year handout.
 
completely agree, and I think users should be presented with a “choose your search engine” screen at first launch of Safari.
most people will likely still choose Google, but it’s always been very strange how that is just the default.
Please no popups.

There's far, far too many of them already.

Linux offers by far the most choices on everything to users. How many popups do you see on it forcing users to make choices?

Do you know what most people do with popups? They hunt for whatever they can press to make it get out of the way fastest. It's a horrible way to educate, it's a horrible way to offer choice, it's a horrible way to inform - it's just horrible at everything.

There's a reason everyone used to install popup blockers. The only reason we stopped is because all browsers block popups by default now.
 
Please no popups.

There's far, far too many of them already.

Linux offers by far the most choices on everything to users. How many popups do you see on it forcing users to make choices?

Do you know what most people do with popups? They hunt for whatever they can press to make it get out of the way fastest. It's a horrible way to educate, it's a horrible way to offer choice, it's a horrible way to inform - it's just horrible at everything.

There's a reason everyone used to install popup blockers. The only reason we stopped is because all browsers block popups by default now.

So when setting up a new phone, for a new apple user, and it request you to enter your name, address, password, payment, etc., people just close it? how about when it asks to enable Siri, location services? This would be no different.

Make it part of the onboarding...or at minimum, Apple should have been open and honest that they were getting paid to do this, and no shovel it into services to a) hide it, and b) pump services $$.

I'm not pissed that they did it, I'm pissed that they were lying.
 
Google paying Apple $20b is a huge amount, and for Apple the easiest pure profit!

I’m just curious as to how beneficial it has been for Google, do they easily recover and profit or are they doing just for the iPhone customers data?
The iPhone customers data drives the profit. They use the information to offer ad products for their customers which makes them billions.
 
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Make it part of the onboarding...or at minimum, Apple should have been open and honest that they were getting paid to do this, and no shovel it into services to a) hide it, and b) pump services $$.
They have been open. This has been common knowledge since at least 2010 (that’s the earliest mention I could find of Google paying Apple millions to be the default search engine). If someone hasn’t been paying attention for 15 years, I hardly blame Apple. :)
 
They have been open. This has been common knowledge since at least 2010 (that’s the earliest mention I could find of Google paying Apple millions to be the default search engine). If someone hasn’t been paying attention for 15 years, I hardly blame Apple. :)

It was leaked and came out because of court discovery. It was never released, publicly admitted by Apple, or mentioned in any publicly/investor available documents.
 
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I don’t really see how this will change anything on a user level. 99% of people will just choose google anyway and you can already change it if you don’t want google
 
Apple's profit last fiscal year was $93.7 billion. This is $20 billion. Profit is money not used by the company, so no, it's not for development; it's used to pad their profits.

Additionally, this money was pushed into the services revenue category. It pumped services and made it look more profitable that what it actually is. In other words, Apple has been lying.
Someone needs to take business 101...
Not defending Apple by any means here but companies need to make profit to protect themselves from going concern problems that might happen in the future (look at Intel).

They also need this to keep investors. Apple as a company is an asset. Investors and our social securities and 401k invest in these. If they dont have profit and float their value it will be a disaster.
 
Someone needs to take business 101...
Not defending Apple by any means here but companies need to make profit to protect themselves from going concern problems that might happen in the future (look at Intel).

They also need this to keep investors. Apple as a company is an asset. Investors and our social securities and 401k invest in these. If they dont have profit and float their value it will be a disaster.

I've taken business 101 and higher, so I get you're point..and your not wrong. What is wrong is saying they are using it for development. They will still make a $70 billion profit without it, at 2024 levels.
 
completely agree, and I think users should be presented with a “choose your search engine” screen at first launch of Safari.
most people will likely still choose Google, but it’s always been very strange how that is just the default.

It’s like you said - most users are not going to care (and will just default to google search anyways), so why interrupt their browsing experience with a pop up where they are going to have to waste their searching for the “Google Search” tab? And if they accidentally click on the wrong one, then they have to go into settings to change it back.

Contrary to what most people here would believe, users are not locked into using Google search (they can always change it in settings), and presenting them with more options isn’t going to make them switch away either.
 
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