Missed my point. Why not the same uproar for blood pressure devices? They have questionable accuracy, yet sell by the millions. Might also add a fever thermometer, BMI weight scales, etc. All send people to the Doctors office.
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Apple Watch Alerts Man to Heart Condition in Yet Another Potentially Life-Saving Story
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Wasn’t aware most people run to the doctor for a fever or being fat.
If you use a store bought b/p machine for $50 at Walgreens and says your a little high. Your gonna go to the ER?
of course not. Your $400 watch says you may be In tachycardia or a fib. People run to these places and overwhelm them. Costing truly sick people the care they need.
Maybe a hypochondriac would. If one's blood pressure was in the stratosphere, maybe they would go to the ER. Especially for a false positive if they took their blood pressure incorrectly.
Citation please to show that people run to the ER if their watch shows afib? And if they run to the ER, it's the sole reason for the ER being overwhelmed.
I don't think you can prove an Apple Watch is causing a lack of care due to false positives.
You really have low opinion of Doctors and their staff. Here is how it works by first hand experience. Got an Apple Watch notification (more then one). Sent email to the primary care Doctor. Got a response, please stop by and get your blood pressure checked at the nurse's station. Done. Another email, need to get an EKG at the clinic. Done. EKG results read. All good. Need an overnight EKG via email. Got the device followed directions. Got an email, sent EKG to a cardiologist. Email several days later came back. Need drugs, we know what is wrong. Never met in person with a Doctor. Tell me in your infamous wisdom how this process caused the system to fail someone's needed care? You seriously think if anyone just called in with Apple Watch data they go straight to a cardiologist? Need to rethink your point.
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Sorry that’s not it it goes 99% of the time. I work with mds everyday for the last 30 years.
People panic show up at offices or ERs.
How it really works is. Patient gets a notification that their heart rate is fast/O2 sat is low. They search the internet for reasons. Conclude they have the worst outcome. Drive to doctors office demanding to be seen. If the doctor has an opening(the dont because they are double booked minimum all day). Staff or md tells patient that if it’s that bad they can call and ambulance to take them to the hospital.
Patient tree refuses 9 out of 10 times. Patient insists they are having a MI or can’t breath, even though they can scream or be having a meltdown. These are sure signs it’s not serious. Doctor and staff waste 30 mins trying to explain patient is ok.
This just shows that you don’t understand the medical day to days.
I do see some value for watch if your an athlete or training. I hear doctors talk about it almost daily. The internet is their worst nightmare. Webmd especially
My source is 30 years working with diabetic specialists, cardiologists, rheumatologists.
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That answer neither here nor there and doesn’t address your own premise. But it’s clear you can’t prove your own premise and are just talking around the point.
You have made it abundantly clear that the reason that entirety of the US healthcare system is clogged up is due to Apple Watch users believing they have afib and running to their cardiologist and ER.
It's clear that all former hypochondriacs are now declared cured and only make a doctors appointments (if they can actually get through due to the aforementioned AW hypochondriacs) when they are sick or have self-diagnosed themselves in the middle of a life threatening event. It's clear the Apple Watch has help no-one, and anyone who gets a positive on their Apple Watch should ignore it, since it's only to be used for entertainment purpose.
Amirite?
It clear that you can’t listen to some one with years of experience. When you spend some time working on healthcare come back to the conversation. Until then stick with your specialty. Which is clearly NOT medicine
where did I say that the Apple Watch is causing the HC clog up? That’s on you.
I also never said it was for entertainment purposes. That was you. Where did I say that it helps no one? Again that is all you. Way to spout bs when you have no argument.
Amirite?????
not saying that it doesn’t have a very limited place in healthcare. It’s just not what you want it to be. 👋
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You sound bitter.
I'm sure there's patients like that, but I doubt they're that common, and I also doubt the Apple Watch has made them more common.
Not bitter at all. Maybe calloused some from years of working in the industry.
Many more than you think. And yes my doctors have noticed it. It’s the #1 selling wearable. I work for a group that has cardiologist, diabetic specialists, rheumatologists and a diabetic educator.
Have you worked in an emergency room or doctors office? until then all you defenders have very little to offer other than an opinion.
99%? I would suggest you are seeing the 1%. In reality, the medical community has a problem with folks not going soon enough for heart conditions. Why every phone message ends with, hang up and dial 911 or go to the emergency room.
Lol. That is hysterical. Very few call. Most just show up. .
Do you work at a doctors office or in a ER?
im just saying what I see on an almost daily basis. For 3 decades.
What’s your experience. Do tell
You may have years of experience, but your direct experience with the apple watch and the afib warnings are anecdotal based on your location. You do not speak for the entirety of the US Healthcare system from Texas to North Dakota and NY to California.
In addition, your message is muddled. These types of unofficial diagnostic tools in smart devices are the beginning and the healthcare system is going to have to learn to coexist with them.
Amirite?
So basically you have no experience and are posting emotionally.
No your wrong.
Yes only for my local area. But at least I’m talking from experience not feeling for a company
am I right?
So what percentage of cases clog up the practice who cone from hypochondriac oriented apple watch afib alarmists who have negative test results ? Percent of hypochondriacs that don’t use an Apple Watch who come in and have negative test results?
Simple questions to answer.
Am I right?
No clue to be honest but at my medical office it comes up 2-3 times a week. Comes up at lunch all the time. WEDMD is a doctors nightmare. Suddenly everyone’s a doctor.
what numbers do you have?
why are you so defensive about this? Does it affect you? It does affect me every week
Your also stuck on afib. O2 SAT causes the same grief. Like I said the Apple Watch is great for many things. A medical device isn’t one. In my opinion and the mds in the practice I work at. Haven’t seen one patient where I work have a watch catch something. Been there longer than the watch has been out.
for someone who is into fitness, enjoy it use it.
You seem jaded, having an ulterior motive or elitist, not sure which (or maybe tone is lost on the internet) - but, do you really need to clog up the thread with this?
Tell your position to the people who posted here and other places who may have otherwise been oblivious to their heart condition. No Apple apologist here and AFAIK, no one said the AW was a panacea, just that it helped *some* people (who don't have that knowledge or resources you have). How is their new found awareness a bad thing? Are you arguing for them to ignore the alert and stay home or arguing just for fun?
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I’m just disputing what some here are pushing. With my real world experiences. Not someone else’s feelings.Good to know, because as a Garmin user, I had serious FOMO
not arguing just a discussion with opposing opinions. I don’t make my decisions based on feelings. My 30+ years of experience in the healthcare industry has tought me many things. In a perfect world patients would follow the “rules” like some here posted. Phone call then follow up. That not the real world. Yes I may be jaded but find a long time healthcare worker that isn’t. Especially now with COVID.
I’m discussing what really happens most times. Awareness is great. Actions are something else entirely.
I have no idea what FOMO means. But i did say if you use the Apple Watch to monitor workouts etc. great enjoy.
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Can you please be specific about what “some here are pushing”. Because I don’t see what anybody here is pushing other than an Apple Watch and similar type of device can provide a window into ones health for some conditions.
That’s all I see being pushed.
Typo or auto correct. “Saying” is what I meant to say. But I guess we have to agree to disagree I have my opinion and you have yours.
Sure I have no problem agreeing to disagree, but I want to check we are agreeing to disagree that there are one to two cases, plus webmd is the doctors nightmare as quoted here:
And that seems to be putting a monkey wrench in the healthcare system?