Apple Watch and Jury Duty

Discussion in 'Apple Watch' started by Neutral Milk, Jul 2, 2015.

  1. Neutral Milk macrumors regular

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    I had jury duty last week. When you are picked to go to a jury selection they are very insistent you turn off all electronic devices (not just silent or airplane mode). When I went into the courtroom I turned off my phone as requested, and thought about putting my watch on power save. I decided against it because I'm obsessed with my rings. As I was sitting in the courtroom I started getting texts and emails. I hadn't experienced the wifi capabilities (I knew about them but didn't realize how well they worked). It was unobtrusive. I was able to see and dismiss without losing focus. Didn't even consider responding.

    Not sure if this is what people should do. Maybe turning off is best for the process. But none of the dozens of police took any mind of my quick glances.

    Just another interesting (and mind numbingly boring) experience with the watch.
     
  2. Crazy Badger macrumors 65816

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    Which bit of this "When you are picked to go to a jury selection they are very insistent you turn off all electronic devices (not just silent or airplane mode)" did you not understand?

    You're probably fortunate it wasn't noticed and you didn't find yourself in contempt of court!
     
  3. frifra macrumors 6502a

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    Good Guy Neutral Milk giving the lawyers a valid reason for appeal
     
  4. AppleWes macrumors 6502

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    Not a smart idea to disobey judge's orders. Just because you "can" get away with something, doesn't mean you should. I guess my integrity is different. Oh well.
     
  5. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    So you didn't actually turn off your iPhone either, as you got texts and email.
     
  6. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    if watch is connected to wifi, then it can get texts and email even if iPhone is turned off.
     
  7. Arran macrumors 68040

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    They probably thought you were just checking the time. I'll bet none of them have seen an Apple watch before.

    Lucky you weren't hauled over the coals for contempt of court. What you did was pretty bad.
     
  8. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    Would it be ok if the OP put their watch in Do Not Distrub mode, so they don't get notifications, but the watch will still track their activity?
     
  9. Arran macrumors 68040

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    I wouldn't risk it. If you've been directed by the court to turn OFF all electronic devices then it really means OFF.

    Imagine the cost of a retrial if, days in, one of the lawyers lodges an objection? Court time, lawyers fees, etc are huge.

    Cost considerations aside, you're not giving the trial your full attention. You can argue that point with the judge if you want - and likely find yourself in a cell.
     
  10. ivandr macrumors regular

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    I think its hard to determine what is ok and not ok (in a court room that decision remains entirely up to the presiding judge), however I would think that this is an ok way to do it.

    Another option (which I discovered during a weekend camping w/o cell coverage) would be to put it in airplane mode. I did that (to save battery as my phone wasn't on me when camping) yet I still had all of my activity rings filled throughout the weekend.

    The second option would mean that you still get the watch nudges about standing, activity summaries etc, but I would argue that its closer to following the judge's orders than just DND mode. The order to turn off all devices is to ensure that the jury isn't getting information that would influence them from outside the courtroom, and simply DND mode means you're still pulling in information from the outside world. (What if a news alert email blast has to do with the trial a person is sitting jury on etc... yes almost all jury duties are boring and mundane but this rule would be particularly important in more high profile trials
     
  11. Newtons Apple Suspended

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    Any WiFi? I thought it had to be a friendly WiFi
     
  12. JayLenochiniMac macrumors G5

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    The Watch doesn't have dedicated wifi. The iPhone can be out of Bluetooth range but must be connected to wifi, requiring it to be powered on.
     
  13. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    Yes, I agree the point is to shut out outside information. But I believe if your watch is in DND mode, you won't get any news alerts, because DND will block them. Maybe to be doubly sure, one could turn on BOTH DND and Airplane modes.
     
  14. Arran macrumors 68040

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    The point is to stay focused on the trial.

    As this guy found out: http://www.wired.com/2013/04/texting-juror-jailed/

     
  15. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    The way I understand it, if your phone and watch connects to a wifi hotspot once, then the next time, the watch can connect to that hotspot, even if you don't have the phone with you. Once the watch connects to wifi, then it gets notifications for email and text even without the phone.
     
  16. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    How is the watch going to distract you if all it's doing is showing the time and keeping track of your activity (for which you don't need to look at the watch)?
     
  17. iBlazed macrumors 68000

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    Just iMessages? or SMS also?
     
  18. Arran macrumors 68040

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    It may not distract you at all, but don't argue that with me. Argue it with the judge. He's the one you'll need to convince. But if you've been directed to turn devices OFF and you ignored it, I'm not sure you'll get a sympathetic ear. Do you feel lucky?

    Might be a good idea to keep your personal lawyer on speed-dial.
     
  19. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    That, I don't know. I think it depends on if you have that feature where you receive SMS on your ?Mac or iPads turned on.
     
  20. Night Spring macrumors G5

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    I'm not the op -- I don't have jury duty.

    And yes, probably not a good idea to argue with the judge, but going to be interesting how smart watches are dealt with in court going forward. Some people are going to be using the watch for tracking serious health conditions, like diabetes, and they will need to keep the watch turned on.
     
  21. Arran macrumors 68040

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    Agreed. Once the devices become mainstream an acceptable protocol will need to be worked out. On the way, mistakes will be made and lessons will be learned on all sides.

    But right now, I wouldn't risk it with a cranky and/or uninformed judge.
     
  22. Newtons Apple Suspended

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    OK but when you say connect, you would have to give it permission to connect to that particular WiFi, would you not? I have my phone set up to only connect to with my permission.

    This is an interesting bit of information.
     
  23. Mac2me macrumors 6502a

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    Interesting thread but have to agree that the literal cost of a trial and fairness to those arguing their side dictates here and should have been turned off of receiving any notications or such. Suppose placing it on Reserve where the watch is on just for the time (think this is true) would be the way to go. When you go to break you can get updated.

    So it's not like Apple Watch is the first smart watch. I'm sure this has been discussed before. The watch is an electronic device.
     
  24. Crazy Badger macrumors 65816

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    I don't even think there will be a debate about smart watches as it's pretty much covered already - ALL ELECTRONIC DEVICES MUST BE SWITCHED OFF. Pretty clear to even the intellectually challenged ;)

    The argument about needing the watch for tracking serious health conditions won't hold much ground, given people have managed without them since the dawn of time. I guess if you had an electronic device that needed to be left on for health grounds today (e.g. a pacemaker) then you'd have authority from your Dr and probably be excused.
     
  25. xyion1 macrumors regular

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    Being able to communicate mid-trial, especially with/as a juror is a big no-no. Could be seen as jury tampering or sending the jury's thoughts out to either counsel. Especially during deliberations! Personally, I wouldn't risk it, especially for something like keeping activity rings filled (not really a life or death issue...)
     

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