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The gold watch is solid gold, not plate. And gold plating doesn't cost anywhere near a couple of hundred dollars. It is very inexpensive to do because it uses hardly any gold. That's the whole point of it.

The gold in the watch all by itself will probably cost Apple around $1200. That's a guess, but it is a good one.

The cost difference won't be just the cost of the gold, either. It never is. Gold watches always command a premium well above what the metal is worth. If they didn't, there wouldn't be any point in the manufacturers making them to begin with. They do it because the profit margins are higher and they make more money.

Sean
Ok, IF it was plate, the amount of gold would be tiny, e.g $200. A typical watch weighs around 100-200 g...4-8 ounces. Gold is pretty depressed today, at around $1250 per troy ounce. If this watch is to be made from solid 24k gold, they could be as much of $5-6000 alone, forgetting the premium cost of fabricating a watch case from it. If it is to be solid, then I assure you it will not be entirely from gold, but likely from some cheaper gold-derived alloy or limited to simple elements of the watch. I like to collect watches and can tell you, once the novelty of the smart watch elements are redundant, 10 years down the line and you wanted to sell this watch for its gold element, you would be lucky to pick to pick up $5-600.

I would add that the price of gold can move violently on the markets, e.g can be as much as 3-5% a day sometimes, could you imagine how hard that would be to manage from a mass production point of view, e.g Apple managing that by the million? Companies like Rolex have the same issue, but of course the volumes would be tiny in comparison and of course they move their prices (if you can ever really know the price). Additionally the movement in that kind of watch would dwarf the entire cost of the Apple Watch which of course wil still have the same $20 board made in Foxconn
 
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You asked me what these people in marketing didn't know that I fdid....

I just don't see it being the thing people want to be seen wearing. To me, the message would be I have just spent an extra three and half grand on the same watch as that guy for a couple of hundred dollars of gold plate.

No that was not my inference at all, but rather what kind of inside focus group knowledge do you have that they don't, not that you had general knowledge about marketing.

But your attitude that you "don't see it being the thing people want to be seen wearing seems makes me doubt you are really in marketing. A superior marketer has the confidence to reshape reality if that's what it takes, which is what Apple's marketing does.

Surely you studied the likes of Edward Bernays and P.T. Barnum. When you were in school you must have learned how Bernays was hired by DeBeers to make their relatively ignored diamonds popular with the ladies. Of course today diamonds are what every girl wants thanks to Bernays marketing, not because ladies have an innate desire for white chunks of shiny glass. Before Bernays, not so much.

One more bit. If you are in marketing you know details matter. Why do you write about the Apple Edition being "gold plate," when Apple has already stated it's 18K gold, NOT gold plate. You do understand the difference there Mr. "I'm in marketing," right?
 
No that was not my inference at all, but rather what kind of inside focus group knowledge do you have that they don't, not that you had general knowledge about marketing.

But your attitude that you "don't see it being the thing people want to be seen wearing seems makes me doubt you are really in marketing. A superior marketer has the confidence to reshape reality if that's what it takes, which is what Apple's marketing does.

Surely you studied the likes of Edward Bernays and P.T. Barnum. When you were in school you must have learned how Bernays was hired by DeBeers to make their relatively ignored diamonds popular with the ladies. Of course today diamonds are what every girl wants thanks to Bernays marketing, not because ladies have an innate desire for white chunks of shiny glass. Before Bernays, not so much.

One more bit. If you are in marketing you know details matter. Why do you write about the Apple Edition being "gold plate," when Apple has already stated it's 18K gold, NOT gold plate. You do understand the difference there Mr. "I'm in marketing," right?

Lighten up for goodness sake; I am expressing my opinion, like you are. Why do you constantly question my credentials and disregard my OPINION?

As I said,it will be a gold alloy; how long before Apple claim something special about their gold....oh wait a minute...

".....Each has a watch case crafted from 18-carat gold that our metallurgists have developed to be up to twice as hard as standard gold....."

What an earth is standard gold? [Rhetorical]

Anyhow, finally, it is my opinion, read carefully, my opinion that the $4K "gold" Apple Watch will not be, a) worth it, b) be the thing to be seen wearing, c) be the trinket thing of the super-rich, d) appeal to watch collectors, and finally hold its value like a "typical" $4K watch

oh...and I do not claim to have the marketing prowess of Apple, just in case you got that impression, not to say, they could be wrong about a $4K watch, even though they will probably storm their other editions
 
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Lighten up for goodness sake; I am expressing my opinion, like you are. Why do you constantly question my credentials and disregard my OPINION?

Because you brought your credentials into the discussion, not me. Otherwise it's natural and reasonable to presume that most people do not possess the marketing acumen of, say, Angela Ahrendts. She has proven to be a professional's professional. And so, yes, I highly question anyone that would question her. A high school kid taking physics can say he studied Einstein. That doesn't make him as genius as him though.

BTW you are the one that seems a little touchy getting all wrapped up in how a stranger thinks of your stated credentials. ;)
 
Ok, IF it was plate, the amount of gold would be tiny, e.g $200. A typical watch weighs around 100-200 g...4-8 ounces. Gold is pretty depressed today, at around $1250 per troy ounce. If this watch is to be made from solid 24k gold, they could be as much of $5-6000 alone, forgetting the premium cost of fabricating a watch case from it. If it is to be solid, then I assure you it will not be entirely from gold, but likely from some cheaper gold-derived alloy or limited to simple elements of the watch. I like to collect watches and can tell you, once the novelty of the smart watch elements are redundant, 10 years down the line and you wanted to sell this watch for its gold element, you would be lucky to pick to pick up $5-600.

I would add that the price of gold can move violently on the markets, e.g can be as much as 3-5% a day sometimes, could you imagine how hard that would be to manage from a mass production point of view, e.g Apple managing that by the million? Companies like Rolex have the same issue, but of course the volumes would be tiny in comparison and of course they move their prices (if you can ever really know the price). Additionally the movement in that kind of watch would dwarf the entire cost of the Apple Watch which of course wil still have the same $20 board made in Foxconn

Yep, we agree. By solid gold, I just meant it wasn't plate. They've already said it will be 18K, which is an alloy. They've announced so little about these watches that you would think people would be at least aware of the parts they have announced.

I also collect watches, and I don't think they will sell many of the Edition models unless they cost less than the rumors are saying (anywhere from 4K to over 10K, each). I think they are making them primarily for the halo effect they'll have on the lower lines. In other words, having more expensive lines allow them to charge more for the lower ones, because people naturally tend to compare the costs across the lines to determine worth. It is a marketing trick that tends to work.

Sean
 
I was dragged into this place by my wife during our stay in Paris. The store is amazing. Glad I had my iPhone 5 to take some great pictures. Worth carrying the nice SLR with prime lens.

Worth a visit to see from inside. Ridiculously expensive compared to the US. Most levels have a nice cafe or a bar overlooking the store. But do pick a few macaroons from the macaroons store in the basement. Nothing great but good to get over priced drink or a snack while your better half is shopping...

All the stuff look the same for me so I can't tell the difference between Nordstorm or Lafayette. Maybe this was more like Neiman Marcus.


Galerie Lafayette Paris Haussmann is more upscale than Nordstrom. It is more similar to Bergdorf Goodman or Saks 5th in NYC for instance.

I don't know which shop inside the Galerie you got your maracons (different from macaroons which are mostly made of shredded coconut) I hope not the noname ones who serve also croissant, other pastries and coffee, but from world famous Pierre Hermé macarons. These macarons are so good and if you don't like sweet macarons you can have savory ones. Clearly one of the best if not the best, so calling them nothing great but good is quite underwhelming. Now you are making me hungry :mad:

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Oh right, they totally ignored the wonderfully idyllic swiss fabs and display manufacturing plants....

The prices would skyrocket !!!
 
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