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You can't compare this to cars though.

Example I have an old Benz at home. It has built in Motorola phone. Car is still runs but the Phone tech is no longer usable. The resale value of my car on the used market isn't brought down by the tech because the main point is whether the car runs and how well. Plus the tech in the car can be upgraded. Also the engine, interior and exterior can be upgraded to increase usability and value for resale.

The usability of the apple watch is the tech and value is based on the casing & band material. Value and usibility are split.

Once the tech becomes obsolete and functionality is margiinalized by newer watches the only value in the Apple watch is in the casing and band unless it is for a collectors item.

We need to know how long Apple will support old apple watches on newer phones.

I think a better comparison would be to the Nokia 8850.

I have loads of unusable tech at my house that cost me a ton of money. None of it can be upgraded and none of it is usable which drags down resale. Now just imagine if my Nokia 8850 was solid gold?

Ok let me compare it to this: one way tickets international flights can cost $7000-10,000. Yes there are people who buy flights like this all the time. Think they will think twice about a 10k watch? Probably not.
 
This rumor may have been leaked by Apple to attempt to gain more interest for the watch. I've read countless articles outside of the Apple bubble. It's a mixed bag of reactions and many are ho-hum we aren't impressed types of comments.

I'm sure Apple has closely analyzed everything written to date and decided to open the rumor mill for its own benefit as is often the case.

However I must say I thought J. Ive would put a little style into it. As plain and bland as the case is, there's nothing about it that sets it apart from garden variety run of the mill watches that are no longer worn.

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Ok let me compare it to this: one way tickets international flights can cost $7000-10,000. Yes there are people who buy flights like this all the time. Think they will think twice about a 10k watch? Probably not.

You're absolutely right.

But instead they'll take the ten grand, add another few thousand and buy a sexy looking luxury timepiece made by a company with heritage, reputation and cache.

Apple Watch is cold, and soulless.
 
At least then it would have good battery life.

Or would it be battery afterlife, since you'd be dead....

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This rumor may have been leaked by Apple to attempt to gain more interest for the watch. I've read countless articles outside of the Apple bubble. It's a mixed bag of reactions and many are ho-hum we aren't impressed types of comments.

I'm sure Apple has closely analyzed everything written to date and decided to open the rumor mill for its own benefit as is often the case.

However I must say I thought J. Ive would put a little style into it. As plain and bland as the case is, there's nothing about it that sets it apart from garden variety run of the mill watches that are no longer worn.

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You're absolutely right.

But instead they'll take the ten grand, add another few thousand and buy a sexy looking luxury timepiece made by a company with heritage, reputation and cache.

Apple Watch is cold, and soulless.

You think people who gold plate their sink care about soul.... Money has no soul. But, it is still money. Apple will take it.
 
An antique one. I inherited an old railroad pocket watch from my father. I doubt it's worth a lot of money, but it's pretty cool.

What you have on your hands is a priceless heirloom.

Filled with character, sentimental value and fond memories. An intrinsic value that cannot be measured.

Railroad pocket watches are uniquely American, they have a very important place in timekeeping history.

For knowledgeable horology enthusiasts like myself that have a fondness and true appreciation for Pocket Watches and that period in US History, the Railroad Watch is highly coveted. :)

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Or would it be battery afterlife, since you'd be dead....

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You think people who gold plate their sink care about soul.... Money has no soul. But, it is still money. Apple will take it.
Be careful who you judge. You're in with a very diverse crowd here, many of which have very deep pockets.

The assumption you've made is very revealing...
 
I'm optimistic on the Apple Watch. Here's why...

I really like the preview of the app interfaces: Image. Surely I'm not the only one tired of constantly pulling my phone out of my pocket all day to check the time, email, weather, directions, reminders, calendar, etc.

The price for the Apple Watch Sport models ($349-399) seem fairly reasonable for what you're getting.

I will say the dressier (Apple Watch) options seem excessive ... for example the two I like are $649-699 depending on the size.

There's a lot of room for growth and improvement in the product and on the website ...

First, the online shopping experience is too complicated. I have to both pick a model (apple watch, apple watch sport, or apple watch edition), then a size (38mm or 42mm) then a band.

Why not just pick a size, then configure a band? It's not immediately clear what the difference is between the sport and watch models (different glass?). Things will be better when they simplify and standardize a bit. For example, why is there a 1mm and 2mm charger?

Also, everything is a bit too big and crowded on the website interface. Feels like they're trying to jam too much in now.

Most importantly, the product ... In the future when this thing becomes a fully functioning phone or can measure your blood sugar, it's going to be huge.

One final comment. Apple has always charged more for their products but delivered a high value in my opinion. Now with the high end ($10k-17k) watch products it's offering itself as a status symbol. I certainly understand why ... that's the nature of the beast when it comes to watches. I've never liked or related to that about watches. If they do in fact develop an Apple car, I'm sure it will be a similar case.

Sport is hardened aluminium + a type of gorilla glass top
Apple Watch is 316L stainless steel (marine grade) and Sapphire, ceramic back. You can also buy the Apple Watch with a wider range of buckles seemingly. Though you buy all of them separately for the Sport one.
 
What you have on your hands is a priceless heirloom.

Filled with character, sentimental value and fond memories. An intrinsic value that cannot be measured.

Railroad pocket watches are uniquely American, they have a very important place in timekeeping history.

For knowledgeable horology enthusiasts like myself that have a fondness and true appreciation for Pocket Watches and that period in US History, the Railroad Watch is highly coveted. :)

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Be careful who you judge. You're in with a very diverse crowd here, many of which have very deep pockets.

The assumption you've made is very revealing...

Yes, revealing of YOUR state of mind; not mine as I used "soul" in a non religious sense... Just like you calling Apple Soulless and cold.

As for assumptions, I'm a practicing catholic who heavily volunteers here and abroad (mostly West Africa) (probably because I feel guilty of being in the 0.5%..).

Unlike me who still lives like an ascetic hippie, my friends spend their money freely. In that group, spending lots of money is not often an emotional or spiritual experience. And if it was, I'd probably recommend therapy.

And yes, money has no soul (whatever definition of soul is used).
 
This rumor may have been leaked by Apple to attempt to gain more interest for the watch. I've read countless articles outside of the Apple bubble. It's a mixed bag of reactions and many are ho-hum we aren't impressed types of comments.

I'm sure Apple has closely analyzed everything written to date and decided to open the rumor mill for its own benefit as is often the case.

However I must say I thought J. Ive would put a little style into it. As plain and bland as the case is, there's nothing about it that sets it apart from garden variety run of the mill watches that are no longer worn.

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You're absolutely right.

But instead they'll take the ten grand, add another few thousand and buy a sexy looking luxury timepiece made by a company with heritage, reputation and cache.

Apple Watch is cold, and soulless.

They probably already have a ton of those. 10k-17k just to try it out.
 
Platinum. Great. Something even more expensive than the $17,000 smart watch.

Jony Ive has gone off his rocker.

Your type keep saying this but you and your type are fools to believe every singe edition watch apple makes will not be sold within minutes...... EVERY rich person in the world will want one. They will (apple), as usual, be laughing all the way to the bank.

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Let's focus on making this a need versus a want and then worry about what colors it comes in.
You don't need to be here on macrumors.... you don't need to own any apple product, you don't need to have a house/apt/condo/car/clothes/ ect ect..... let's move on now.

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Introducing the Fisher Price Appple Watch...

another tired appleism like you're holding it wrong...

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Titanium would reduce the weight of a 42mm, 50g watch with sapphire crystal to that of the 38mm, 25g sport watch, or less.

Also put me down for waterproof to 3M.

I would upgrade for either.

Yeah because no way you're going to be able to hold up the aluminum or SS versions.... gotta have the Ti.....

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Who's willing to pay, rich or not, $7000 for a watch band.

lots of people.

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I demand a plutonium Apple Watch.

It has a built in pretty much lifetime battery!
 
An antique one. I inherited an old railroad pocket watch from my father. I doubt it's worth a lot of money, but it's pretty cool.

Great. And to use your faulty analogy, after 50-100 years when the Apple watch becomes an antique, it will also be worth passing down. :rolleyes:
 
One possible downside to Apple announcing the Watch so far ahead of launch: it already looks old. I can already see it the same way I see the first or second gen iPhones. It doesn't help that it resembles the original iPhone more than the current model due to its thickness.
 
Your complaint appears to be against the gini coefficient of the modern world, not against Apple. If someone makes 50x more money than you, and you are happy spending $350 every two or three years on an aWatch, why they not be equally happy spending $17,000 every two or three years on an aWatch? Hell $17,000 is about the price of a trans-pacific First class ticket, and their are people who buy plenty of those.

If you're unhappy at the increasing returns to the 1% of the world, vote for better politicians, but don't blame Apple for providing high-gini prices to the high gini world we live in.

It's not the 1%. The 1%'ers can't truly afford a $10,000+ disposable watch. It's the 0.01% -- and I'm somewhat surprised to see Apple advertising a $17,000 watch on television to the 0.01% who can afford one. I don't see to many prime time TV ads for $20,000 Rolexes, so I'm surprised Apple would put the gold one so prominently in their ads, only to have many people stand in utter disbelief when the go to the store and see its price tag. Though now that Apple is putting their $17,000 watch on TV, maybe Rolex will do the same thing. Everyone knows Ferrari is expensive. But Ferrari doesn't advertise on TV to the yuppies.

Look, I don't care what people spend their money on, including the 0.01%'ers. I just find the $10,000-$17,000 price tag for the gold models a whole step beyond Apple's typical premium price.

And yes, I felt the same way about the $10,000 Anniversary Macintosh all those years ago. Again, I don't really care if people bought one - it's their money - I'm just somewhat surprised that Apple would price products that high.

Apple's prices are already high, and I happily pay them because I know the value of what I'm getting. But as a user of their products, I would hate to see their average prices jump up a whole tier higher.

Perhaps Apple is uncomfortable with how big their getting, and will continue to raise prices until they're smaller like they were 7-10 years ago. I get it, they're a business and they will raise prices as high as the market will allow. But as a customer and fan, I'd truly hate to see them price themselves out of my range (and by income I'd be one of the 1%'ers -- but not a 0.01%'er).

But, hey, Apple can do what they want. Never mind my out loud stream-of-consciousness. Doesn't require a response. I'm really just trying to gather my thoughts.
 
Aside from the fact that I cringe everytime I see the name Ming-Chi Kuo, I think from other reports we've seen published that Platinum won't be coming to the Apple Watch this year. We know they looked at it as a possibility, but backed off.

Now, next year... who knows!

Sorry Ming Chi, not this time. :cool:

Yeah, it's not like he has a good track record or anything.

https://www.macrumors.com/2014/09/04/iwatch-8gb/
 
Okay... No one needs an iPhone, iPod, iTunes, Apple TV, MacBook, iPad, or apple watch. They are just nice things to have.

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Well, it could be said that we don't really "NEED" anything except food, water, and shelter.

Speaking a bit above those basic survival needs, I do "NEED" my iPhone, as much as I need reliable transportation. I use it daily. It has become ingrained in my business and personal day. So forget need vs. want then, make the :apple:watch as integrated into my work/personal/social life as the iPhone has become.
 
Well, it could be said that we don't really "NEED" anything except food, water, and shelter.

Speaking a bit above those basic survival needs, I do "NEED" my iPhone, as much as I need reliable transportation. I use it daily. It has become ingrained in my business and personal day. So forget need vs. want then, make the :apple:watch as integrated into my work/personal/social life as the iPhone has become.

I want a device that I can glance at in meetings with clients. Something that I can look at quickly in class instead of pulling out my phone. A lightweight music storage device for my work outs. Something to change my music while I am in the shower. Not having to open my iPhone up just to change the channel on Apple TV or skip an episode. Don't worry, if you can't use it many others can. It's not a big deal, just don't buy one.
 
I want a device that I can glance at in meetings with clients. Something that I can look at quickly in class instead of pulling out my phone. A lightweight music storage device for my work outs. Something to change my music while I am in the shower. Not having to open my iPhone up just to change the channel on Apple TV or skip an episode. Don't worry, if you can't use it many others can. It's not a big deal, just don't buy one.

To me this is so obvious. It has also been explained, over and over again, in dozens of different ways. It isn't rocket science. I hardly ever pull my phone out at work. It is rude, disruptive, and everyone in the room would assume I did it because I'm bored. I also don't try to dig my phone out of my pocket when I'm in my car to see what text just came in, even while at a stop light. It takes too long, it is awkward, and even while stopped I have to maintain at least a minimal level of attention, if only to know when the light changes. The watch solves this problem in a very elegant way, and integrates into the way I already live my life in a seamless fashion.

I'm not saying the watch is for everyone. But, I will say this. If you aren't smart enough to understand what I just said, please, for the love of God, stop posting.
 
I want a device that I can glance at in meetings with clients. Something that I can look at quickly in class instead of pulling out my phone. A lightweight music storage device for my work outs. Something to change my music while I am in the shower. Not having to open my iPhone up just to change the channel on Apple TV or skip an episode. Don't worry, if you can't use it many others can. It's not a big deal, just don't buy one.

Hopefully it'll be able to do all of the above and do it flawlessly. Don't get me wrong, I understand the overall gist of it and what they're trying to sell it on... I just don't think it's going to be as earth-shattering as they (apple and shareholders) would like it to be.

Everything you mentioned is more a CONVENIENCE than a necessity. You can glance at your phone in a meeting. People do it all the time. Not having to pull your phone out of your pocket in a meeting or in class is a convenience -- but doing so is a social norm. I and many other people use our lightweight phones when exercising. If you exercise stationary, you don't even need your phone on you (bluetooth). Sure it'd be nice to run my music off of something smaller/lighter... but again, convenience, not necessity. And for apple TV, don't those come with an external remote so you already aren't dependent on your phone?... I don't have one but I think they do.

Anyway, point being, I see the intended purpose and I don't refute anything you've mentioned as being a convenience over the current method of doing things. But that just further illustrates my point. Everything you listed can be done without an apple watch. It's a *want* versus a *need*.

Now where it gets interesting to me is the health-tracking aspects. You didn't mention those things, but those are the things that I think are MOST important about the apple watch. Those are things that my phone *can't* do... that I can see having far more benefits than just me being able to see how many steps I've taken today. Sure there are other health bands so the apple watch isn't really inventing something new... but the tie-in is what's key. I can envision wearing one because if I allow that data to be sent to my health insurance, it could lower my premiums. Or it can detect early signs of an impending medical emergency. THOSE are the kinds of features I think can (and probably will) propel the apple watch into many more lives like mine.

So in conclusion, thank you for mentioning all of the points you mentioned that exemplify my "need vs. want" point or the point that (at this time) it's more of a convenience than a must-have. All the while, missing the one component that really could make the apple watch a NEED (health-related functions). I did not say I could not use one (ever), but until the "more-than-convenience" features are further refined and put to use, I will sit on the sidelines and watch. (pun intended)
 
Hopefully it'll be able to do all of the above and do it flawlessly. Don't get me wrong, I understand the overall gist of it and what they're trying to sell it on... I just don't think it's going to be as earth-shattering as they (apple and shareholders) would like it to be.

Everything you mentioned is more a CONVENIENCE than a necessity. You can glance at your phone in a meeting. People do it all the time. Not having to pull your phone out of your pocket in a meeting or in class is a convenience -- but doing so is a social norm. I and many other people use our lightweight phones when exercising. If you exercise stationary, you don't even need your phone on you (bluetooth). Sure it'd be nice to run my music off of something smaller/lighter... but again, convenience, not necessity. And for apple TV, don't those come with an external remote so you already aren't dependent on your phone?... I don't have one but I think they do.

Anyway, point being, I see the intended purpose and I don't refute anything you've mentioned as being a convenience over the current method of doing things. But that just further illustrates my point. Everything you listed can be done without an apple watch. It's a *want* versus a *need*.

Now where it gets interesting to me is the health-tracking aspects. You didn't mention those things, but those are the things that I think are MOST important about the apple watch. Those are things that my phone *can't* do... that I can see having far more benefits than just me being able to see how many steps I've taken today. Sure there are other health bands so the apple watch isn't really inventing something new... but the tie-in is what's key. I can envision wearing one because if I allow that data to be sent to my health insurance, it could lower my premiums. Or it can detect early signs of an impending medical emergency. THOSE are the kinds of features I think can (and probably will) propel the apple watch into many more lives like mine.

So in conclusion, thank you for mentioning all of the points you mentioned that exemplify my "need vs. want" point or the point that (at this time) it's more of a convenience than a must-have. All the while, missing the one component that really could make the apple watch a NEED (health-related functions). I did not say I could not use one (ever), but until the "more-than-convenience" features are further refined and put to use, I will sit on the sidelines and watch. (pun intended)

I only mentioned those because you were talking about needs vs. wants. You don't need health tracking btw. Apple TV does come with a remote. But instead of looking for it just to go back a page or change music while cleaning isn't fun. $400 for convienence all away around is worth it.
 
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