I can do selective quoting too: "The "pop" you're referring to is probably over-saturation. To quote DisplayMate's S7 review:
Highly saturated colors seldom occur in nature so the colors that are outside of the Standard Gamut are seldom needed and are unlikely to be noticed or missed in the overwhelming majority of real images.
Note that current consumer content does not include colors outside of the Standard Gamut, so a display with a wider Color Gamut cannot show colors that are not in the original content, and will only produce inaccurate exaggerated on-screen colors.
Apple, on the other hand, targets accuracy-- making sure that the image you're looking at will look the same on all displays. Quoting DisplayMate's iPad Pro 9.7" review:
Both of the measured Color Gamuts for the Pad Pro 9.7 are almost exactly on top of the standard sRGB / Rec.709 and DCI-P3 Gamuts, so they are mostly obscured in the figure.
Especially ones with lots of decimal places. They make me feel confident.Did you know that half of all people are below average?
I just love statistics, don't you?
12.9" iPad Pro not as good as 9.7" iPad Pro though. But good that they're moving in the right direction.
http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_2015_ShootOut_1.htm#Conclusion
iPad Pro
The iPad Pro is a large Tablet, with almost double the screen area of the iPad Air 2, and almost triple the area of the iPad mini 4. Many professional and imaging applications need or can benefit from a large display that you can easily carry around, lay flat on a table, just hold, or rest on your lap. But to qualify as a Professional grade display it needs to provide top image quality and accuracy.
The iPad Pro display performed very well in all of our tests and measurements, earning Very Good to Excellent in all test categories, but it came in or tied for second place in every test except True Contrast Ratio in 0 lux, where it is the definitive winner and marked Best with a record 1,631.
But in two test categories the Pro display was not quite stellar: first, since 2012 all of the iPad and iPhone displays have had near perfect Log-Straight Intensity Scales (something that no other manufacturer has yet been able to match), but on the iPad Pro there is a significant Intensity Scale bump and irregularity at and below 45 percent signal as shown in this Figure, a surprising calibration issue for an Apple display (but still better than most competing Tablets).
Second, in Absolute Color Accuracy the iPad Pro just barely qualified for a Very Good Green rating, just 6 percent from the cutoff, where it has Average/Maximum Color Errors of 2.6 and 6.6 JNCD, much better than the iPad Air 2, but no where near as good as the iPad mini 4, as shown in this Figure. If better Absolute Color Accuracy is important, then for this screen size consider the Microsoft Surface Pro 4 with Average/Maximum Color Errors of 1.9 and 4.1 JNCD – tied with the iPad mini 4 for the most Color Accurate Tablet that we have ever tested.
The displays on the competing iPad Pro and Surface Pro 4 are both Very Good to Excellent in all test categories. The most significant performance differences are the iPad Pro’s much lower Screen Reflectance (2.6 versus 5.6 percent) and the Surface Pro 4’s much better Absolute Color Accuracy (listed above).
http://www.displaymate.com/iPad_Pro9_ShootOut_1.htm
Comparison with the iPad Pro 12.9 Display
The display on the new iPad Pro 9.7 outperforms the iPad Pro 12.9 in every single display performance category except (obviously) size, and then just its Black Luminance, which results in a higher Contrast Ratio in the dark. The iPad Pro 12.9 is still a very good display, it’s just that the iPad Pro 9.7 is so much better than anything else.
98% of your quote is 87% accurate. 66% of that accuracy can be attributed to 100% of the meeting participants wearing watches. The other 34% of the accuracy can be attributed to fruit and pastry trays in said meetings. Therefore, I am 75% more likely to believe your percentages over the other guy. I'm giving him 25% on the believable meter simply because he chose the "go big or go home" number of 99%.And this is based on your scientific survey, no doubt. So here's my scientific survey: in two meetings I attended yesterday, everyone was wearing a watch (including one honking big Android watch that made my Apple Watch look dainty). According to my scientific survey, you probably need to get out more often.
Maybe look at the post I'm responding to before you judge my motives. I'm not selectively quoting, I'm explaining what causes the "pop" that people are talking so much about. The "pop" is over-saturation.I can do selective quoting too: "
Basic Screen Mode with a Very Accurate Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut
The Basic screen mode provides a very accurate Color and White Point calibration for the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut that is used to produce virtually all current consumer content for digital cameras, TVs, the internet, and computers, including photos, videos, and movies. The Color Gamut of the Basic screen mode is very accurate, with a nearly perfect 101 percent of the Standard sRGB / Rec.709 Color Gamut. Even better, the measured Absolute Color Accuracy for the Galaxy S7 Basic screen mode is an impressive 1.5 JNCD, tied with the Galaxy Note 5 and Galaxy S6 for the most color accurate displays that we have ever measured for a smartphone or tablet, which is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than your living room TV.
As you know, there are 3 other screen modes on that S7 that customer can choose. Basic mode is an analog to the iPhone's LCD screen. Why would you quote info on the dynamic mode when it's intentionally saturated? If someone wants the most accurate color, according to the same DisplayMate you quoted, they should get an S7.
As I've said before, all of these screens are damn good and getting to the point where these arguments are completely irrelevant. When Apple switches to OLED/mOLED their customers will have the ability to choose modes as well (assuming Apple implements that feature)
Your positivity and optimism are not welcome on Macrumors Forums.Wow, those specs are impressive. I was already blown away by the quality of smartwatch displays nowadays. Can't wait to see what the future will bring us and how smartwatches will develop te next five years.
Are you a tweaker or something?They better make him thinner, it's too bulky right now.
Yes, Apple need to make a Sport watch that is a Sport watch, and a Chronograph style watch that is that, and a dress watch that resembles that. Just making the same watch in different materials with different bands and calling them unique names isn't enough. There needs to be functional difference and look to each line, not this cookie cutter crap.
I understand what you started out doing. But then you started going down that road with Apple targeting accuracy as if others don't. That's not exactly the case.Maybe look at the post I'm responding to before you judge my motives. I'm not selectively quoting, I'm explaining what causes the "pop" that people are talking so much about. The "pop" is over-saturation.
To your point, however, if someone wants the most accurate color, according to DisplayMate, they should get an iPad Pro 9.7" (I'll choose magenta!):
The Absolute Color Accuracy of the iPad Pro 9.7 is Truly Impressive as shown in these Figures. It has an Absolute Color Accuracy of 1.3 JNCD for the sRGB / Red.709 Color Gamut used for most current consumer content and 1.4 JNCD for the Wider DCI-P3 Color Gamut used for 4K UHD TVs and Digital Cinema. It is the most color accurate display that we have ever measured. It is visually indistinguishable from perfect, and is very likely considerably better than any mobile display, monitor, TV or UHD TV that you have.
Nah. They'll probably go back to the screens that were on the gray Nokia phones with the snake game on them. Please someone know what I mean.
An actual sport watch would be lovely. We can call this fragmentation (for the most part I imagine the innards of the watch would be the same with the exception of possibly more battery, screen size, perhaps better sensors, etc) but some might prefer to call it choice. A watch is much more an extension of fashion and lifestyle than even a smartphone, I would say.So basically you want fragmentation of the products, as well as people having a far less versatile use case than they have currently.
OLED does not have a better color gamut. Apple's displays have nearly always been the most accurate, no matter what the technology. Colors popping is not a result of accuracy.
98% of your quote is 87% accurate. 66% of that accuracy can be attributed to 100% of the meeting participants wearing watches. The other 34% of the accuracy can be attributed to fruit and pastry trays in said meetings. Therefore, I am 75% more likely to believe your percentages over the other guy. I'm giving him 25% on the believable meter simply because he chose the "go big or go home" number of 99%.
Micro-LED displays can be thinner and lighter and allow for improved color gamut, increased brightness, and higher resolutions. The panels do not require backlighting like traditional LCD displays, but they can be difficult and expensive to mass produce. Micro LEDs range in size from 1-micron to 100-micron.
What are you talking about? Every report on microLED says that the manufacturing costs are one of the main reasons it hasn't been implemented at scale yet.Goodbye infinite contrasts.
Also, I own an Apple Watch, and the fact that it's OLED is one of the most enjoyable parts about its hardware.
The only benefit I see from Apple adopting this "micro-LED" mumbo jumbo is brightness will be increased, but it doesn't outweigh the disadvantages (worse color gamut, worse contrasts, worse efficiency).
But it's cheaper for them, so I guess they'll go along with it anyway.
Nice step backwards, Apple.
Or? Perhaps they would use the extra space for a bigger battery?They better make him thinner, it's too bulky right now.
They do that on iPhone and Apple JDGAFOr? Perhaps they would use the extra space for a bigger battery?
After all, don't a lot of people complain about the battery life?
I'm happy that you're not the Apple Watch product manager.
Apple managed to create a device that pretty dramatically can change it's appearance based on what bands you use. Between that and the changeable faces, you end up with something that feel personal without doing a ton of fragmentation.
So basically you want fragmentation of the products, as well as people having a far less versatile use case than they have currently.
So basically you want fragmentation of the products, as well as people having a far less versatile use case than they have currently.