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jmgregory1

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This Rugged Watch is starting to look like a G- Shock Watch.
I would consider that a better thing than what these renders show. The weird bulbous base capped off with a flat top just seems so far out of the Apple aesthetic and it doesn’t look “tough” like a G-Shock does. I’m disappointed, but also happy as I won’t be tempted by it either. And if Apple sticks to their small annual iterative changes to the Watch, I won’t get tempted by it for the foreseeable future.
 

Apleeseed84

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These extra buttons worry me, the Apple Watch doesn’t need more reasons for it to go on an reboot loop after a swim more than ever.
 

sos47

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Garmin did (does?) have a mount for the fenix for bicyclists, and it was a PITA. The watch kept turning on the bar, and that small screen was that much farther away. Yes a hammer can drive screws, but a screwdriver works so much better. A fenix/whatever can be used while riding a bike, but an Edge does it so much better. *shrug* But you do you...
i own a fenix and an edge.
you can easily mount the fenix on the quarter turn with a low cost adapter from garmin and its rock solid, downhills etc. no prob.

the point is, if you do sports in several disciplines its not a super good idea to mix the brands. so if you‘re running, biking and/or swimming for ex. one single brand has much more benifits because it sums up everything.
 

paradox00

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Wouldn’t a better name for this more “rugged” Apple watch be the “Apple Watch Extreme?” Rather than “Pro?” I dunno. It just seems to make more sense if the key selling point is it’s durability for more extreme activities. I mean not everyone who wants “Pro” features in a watch are into extreme sports. Just saying. But who am I to question Apple?

Having said that, I am a very active Apple Watch user. I bike, hike, swim, surf & other outdoor activities. So far my Apple Watch 6 has held up extremely well. Yes, larger & more physical buttons would be nice for wet conditions. But I hope the larger size means longer battery life. On long bike rides & multi day hikes, that would be the feature I’d most want in the new apple watch. As far as health sensors go, I am happy with the ones Apple already has. A temperature sensor is cool, but not high on my list of wants. I’d much rather have a glucose level sensor. But looks like that one isn’t coming anytime soon to the Apple watch. I still don’t know if I’ll upgrade Tho. I am quite happy with my Apple Watch 6. I will be upgrading my iPhone 11 Pro Max instead this year. My iphone has replaced my dslr as my main travel camera, so better cameras on the iPhone 14 Pro Max are more tempting to me than upgrading my watch.
Is durability the only thing they are adding? No, by your own admission that's only part of the equation. But let's focus on "Extreme" for a moment. The top athletes in extreme sports participate in sanctioned events and have many sponsorships. They are professionals paid for their work... There are many things to be said about Apple's use of the Pro branding throughout the lineup, but it's honestly not a bad fit for a watch. There plenty of athletes and outdoor professionals (i.e., guides) out there that would benefit from a "Pro" watch.
 

paradox00

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millions of roadbikers, gravelbikers and mountain bikers all over the world will ask themselves „how can i mount this on my handlebar?“
so „pro“ does not convert this gadget to a sportswatch its more like a „pro“ gadget.

runners will be satisfied i guess. bikers and triathletes will keep their garmins or wahoos for the next decade
I guess those millions haven't found google yet. There are plenty of third party handlebar mounts out there.
 

turbineseaplane

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...and I was hoping a fitness oriented model would be coming down market...not going up into Pro area (and pricing)

:confused:
 

Born Again

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That would be great !
I'm currently running with both a garmin and an apple watch mostly because of this.
Physical buttons are not only easier to press when it's raining or you're sweaty, the main benefit is that you can press them without having to look at the watch, which can be quite handy when you want to start a segment in a crowded place
Can the Apple Watch pair to my heart rate monitor, foot pod, temperature sensor, power meters, radar, speed sensor? No? Okay so Apple will never replace Garmin unless you’re a casual athlete who doesn’t care for the metrics and likely never even heard of strava.
 

PinkyMacGodess

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i own a fenix and an edge.
you can easily mount the fenix on the quarter turn with a low cost adapter from garmin and its rock solid, downhills etc. no prob.

the point is, if you do sports in several disciplines its not a super good idea to mix the brands. so if you‘re running, biking and/or swimming for ex. one single brand has much more benifits because it sums up everything.

I would generally agree. That's why I had so many ANT+ sensors: Long time Garmin user. Garmin helped birth ANT+, and they sure used it on a lot of their goodies...

The Peloton, getting rides into Garmin Connect is a Sisyphus-ian struggle. You can do it, but in the end, 'Why?'...

Yet, so far, the Apple Watch and Garmin Edge experience has been pain free. I love 'pain free'... I hate drama and having to use shims and programs to 'process' data to be accepted.
 

saintmac

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Can the Apple Watch pair to my heart rate monitor, foot pod, temperature sensor, power meters, radar, speed sensor? No? Okay so Apple will never replace Garmin unless you’re a casual athlete who doesn’t care for the metrics and likely never even heard of strava.
Well I wouldn't consider myself a casual user so I have a Garmin Edge to pair my radar and cadence sensors.
I hate regular HR monitors so I put up with the less precise optical sensors from my Garmin and Apple watches.

For running though I would prefer to only have to wear one watch, that has buttons, an always on display, the ability to receive and place calls (without my phone) and the ability to pay with pretty much any bank account I have (Garmin pay supports very few banks in Europe) on the go. Currently there is no watch that does it all.
I wish Garmin could do it but I think they'll have a hard time matching the Apple Watch in terms of connectivity.

I do think that Apple could learn a lot from Garmin though in terms of pairing with accessories (not to mention battery life). For instance I find it a bit ironic that my Garmin watch can stream my HR to my mac over BT (for Zwift), but my Apple Watch can't !

Btw, you may not know it but Strava actually has a pretty decent Apple Watch app and you can even import runs from the regular Workout app into Strava.
 

himanshumodi

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Wouldn’t a better name for this more “rugged” Apple watch be the “Apple Watch Extreme?” Rather than “Pro?” I dunno. It just seems to make more sense if the key selling point is it’s durability for more extreme activities. I mean not everyone who wants “Pro” features in a watch are into extreme sports. Just saying. But who am I to question Apple?

Having said that, I am a very active Apple Watch user. I bike, hike, swim, surf & other outdoor activities. So far my Apple Watch 6 has held up extremely well. Yes, larger & more physical buttons would be nice for wet conditions. But I hope the larger size means longer battery life. On long bike rides & multi day hikes, that would be the feature I’d most want in the new apple watch. As far as health sensors go, I am happy with the ones Apple already has. A temperature sensor is cool, but not high on my list of wants. I’d much rather have a glucose level sensor. But looks like that one isn’t coming anytime soon to the Apple watch. I still don’t know if I’ll upgrade Tho. I am quite happy with my Apple Watch 6. I will be upgrading my iPhone 11 Pro Max instead this year. My iphone has replaced my dslr as my main travel camera, so better cameras on the iPhone 14 Pro Max are more tempting to me than upgrading my watch.
Or Apple Watch Active?
 

Vjosullivan

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Oct 21, 2013
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this is not an fashion device anymore...is a mini iphone on your wrist
It was never a fashion device despite what the initial marketing drive tried to make it one. It was also never a watch despite Apple's conviction that it should always look like one and restricting the real functionality to "complications".
 

ProfessionalFan

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It was never a fashion device despite what the initial marketing drive tried to make it one. It was also never a watch despite Apple's conviction that it should always look like one and restricting the real functionality to "complications".
Those are what people call, opinions.
 

Greenmeenie

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Or Apple Watch Active?
Yeah. I think both Active or Extreme would be better names for a sports Apple Watch. But hey. Apple will do what it wants. Just as long as the regular Apple watch gets the same health sensors. Not everybody wants a bigger watch on their wrist to get them. I’m a big guy, so i don’t mind. But my gf has tiny wrists and prefers the regular size… but wants all the latest health sensors.
 

Born Again

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Well I wouldn't consider myself a casual user so I have a Garmin Edge to pair my radar and cadence sensors.
I hate regular HR monitors so I put up with the less precise optical sensors from my Garmin and Apple watches.

For running though I would prefer to only have to wear one watch, that has buttons, an always on display, the ability to receive and place calls (without my phone) and the ability to pay with pretty much any bank account I have (Garmin pay supports very few banks in Europe) on the go. Currently there is no watch that does it all.
I wish Garmin could do it but I think they'll have a hard time matching the Apple Watch in terms of connectivity.

I do think that Apple could learn a lot from Garmin though in terms of pairing with accessories (not to mention battery life). For instance I find it a bit ironic that my Garmin watch can stream my HR to my mac over BT (for Zwift), but my Apple Watch can't !

Btw, you may not know it but Strava actually has a pretty decent Apple Watch app and you can even import runs from the regular Workout app into Strava.
I was wearing two watches for a while.

It got old though. I wish Apple would take on what Garmin can do but we know it will never happen.

Love Garmin radar!!! A must for any cyclist.
 
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daveo228i

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I would never buy or wear an Apple Watch. Not that I don’t like Apple, I do. A watch for me tells time, maybe the date. I certainly don’t need to monitor my B.P., or pulse rate daily, or a cardiovascular workout routine.
 
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Born Again

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I would never buy or wear an Apple Watch. Not that I don’t like Apple, I do. A watch for me tells time, maybe the date. I certainly don’t need to monitor my B.P., or pulse rate daily, or a cardiovascular workout routine.
Why are you even in this thread?

Do you feel better now?
 
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PinkyMacGodess

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that is one fugly looking case..

Truth is I thought that the Garmin fenix was a joke. I come from a history where an IBM printer I used almost every day (in the 80's) had three lead counter weights in the chassis so that when its print head zipped from one side to the other it rocked the building. That printer was really rather heavy, and even the IBM service tech said that 'IBM sells their equipment by the pound', with a smirk.

The fenix looked like it was a near porcupine on my wrist with all of the buttons and nubs that supposedly protected them. It looked, to me, like it was trying too hard. Like a 75 pound color dot matrix printer. Buttons and more buttons.
 
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