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The selling point is
a) you don't have to remove it for work or a fancy event
b) you can continue to track your lifestyle habits all day
c) like any nice watch, you might just want to wear it because you like it
d) the whole smartphone hub aspect of it; avoid pulling out your phone


LOL - I do not question the benefits. I questioned the comparison as if it were really relevant. But never mind. It's all good.
 
Graphics suck. That's all you got?

For $99, the Pebble has +95% of the Apple Watch functionality and only needs charging once every 5-7 DAYS !

You will be lucky to get one day out of your Apple Watch.
The Pebble can't do 95% of what the Apple Watch can do. Maybe a third(33%) and that's if I'm being generous. Plus the thing is ugly and has horrible graphics.

Battery life is a non issue here because the Apple Watch does way more and has way more in it than a Pebble watch. The best thing we can say about Pebble is that it's relatively in expensive. Even that isn't much of a benefit considering how buggy it is.
 
Who gets to be the "look test" judges such that a wearable like Google Glass can be judged "complete failure" while a wearable like Apple Watch can be a viewed as...



Are you that judge?

There is no single "judge" of that, but anyone who wasn't into tech, and lots who were could tell that it didn't pass the "look" test for the average person. It's like the Pontiac Aztek. On paper it was one of the best vehicles ever, and did great with test groups (it had the functionality of an SUV and drove like a sedan). Was anyone outside GM surprised that it was a flop?

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I know of course that a lot of manufacturers make them, but I haven't seen them out in the "wild" myself. I have lot of male friends who are into watches, and I've never seen a mesh band on any of them. Of course that's just my experience.

Skagen has a whole range of mesh bands. They are sold as unisex.
 
The selling point is
a) you don't have to remove it for work or a fancy event
b) you can continue to track your lifestyle habits all day
c) like any nice watch, you might just want to wear it because you like it
d) the whole smartphone hub aspect of it; avoid pulling out your phone

That is why I want it... especially the first three. My phone is always on silent except for work email and my wife and kids. All other things are turned off. I like the idea of the watch now because I can track my activity and just change the band depending on the event. Never miss an email from my boss no matter where I am in the house. The Watch is already integrated with our company email system. We use Apple for everything at work and it is a very nice fashion statement to me. All just my opinion but all true.

I am still on the fence but I will probably cave and get the SS with a leather band. So $650 range... it's better than any of my watches but they only cost about $300-$500. The battery life from the reviews were all good for what I would want. Like all things, I take it off at night and set on my nightstand. Means nothing to me to charge it with my iPhone that lasts two days.
 
The Pebble can't do 95% of what the Apple Watch can do. Maybe a third(33%) and that's if I'm being generous. Plus the thing is ugly and has horrible graphics.

Battery life is a non issue here because the Apple Watch does way more and has way more in it than a Pebble watch. The best thing we can say about Pebble is that it's relatively in expensive. Even that isn't much of a benefit considering how buggy it is.


I think you need to be more specific in what the Apple watch can do vs the Pebble.

Even being generous - I think you're wrong. Especially when it comes to real functions vs gimmicks.
 
Here's why all these "reviews" and our "opinions" are almost worthless at this point:

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Apple know more about it than anyone; they made it. They have been through the learning curve and come out the other side a VERY VERY VERY long time ago. The journos have barely even begun their experience, and... well... everyone else... irrelevant.

Oh, and early firmware. I repeat: EARLY FIRMWARE
Flawed logic.

The problem with ANY learning curve in ANY product is what you've demonstrated.

if the learning curve to use a product is too steep or too long, many users will not justify overcoming that learning curve in order to use that product.

as your simplistic illustration shows, if the Journalists are down there, and the everyday consumer is even further behind, what makes you think that the everyday consumer is going to want to climb that steep hill? especially if the journalists who should be starting off in a better position are already saying it's difficult

this is so traditionally NOT APPLE. every Apple product I have ever used has been a showcase of simplicity and ease of use.

this is indication that perhaps Apple designers are NOT correct in how steep a learning curve they built into the device, but should probably have figured out a smaller sloped curve.

In a world of many options, you don't want to be this guy:
LearningCurve1.jpg

(for anyone who has played MMO's you'll get it)
 
These are not the reviews Apple was looking for.

I agree with the reviewers though. It doesn't do anything different and its a very expensive piece to add-on or compliment your iPhone.

I have a feeling this will be the first product that may sell millions, but have a higher return rate and higher dissatisfaction rate.

This is definitely the product that is worth waiting for v2 or v3.
 
Because even many of us here- people who care enough about Apple products to actually spend time talking about them with strangers on an Internet forum- can't rationalize the category of smartwatches either.

We often reference the concept of Apple rolling out iPoop as a product with expectations that there were be plenty of "shut up and take my money" and "best iPoop ever" buyers. If the iPoop was reviewed as the "best poop to date", it doesn't automatically make purchasing poop desirable to the masses... or even this niche crowd here. Note: I'm not equating this new product with poop; rather I'm just using the poop analogy to illustrate how weak a line like "best <anything> to date" can be.

"Best smart phone to date" is the same phrase applied to a highly desirable category. The masses love phones and to roll out what reviewers would call "best smart phone" has the punch relative to it's category. Key difference: does the masses love smart watches? or just watches? Enough to buy a new one now or soon anything like they were moved to buy a new smart phone when Apple rolled out iPhone?

"Best smartwatch to date" is a stellar accolade relative to all other smartwaches. So why do we want a smartwatch- best or not? It's THAT question that is an obstacle for even a chunk of our own crowd here (even before it really gets out among the masses). The iPoop buyers already love it and can't imagine living without it. The iHate crowd still can't even rationalize iPods, iPhones and iPads. The big fat crowd in the middle is grappling with THAT question and either trying to like it enough or thinking they wait and see... or wait until version 2 or 3 bring more tangibles in terms of answering the whole category question.

Personally, I think it's got the usual Apple cool, sharp Apple design and it addresses a big concern I had back when it was only an early rumor by having a lot of design diversity rather than trying to be one-design-fits-all. BUT, I'm not suddenly "fumbling around" with my iDevice or finding it particularly inconvenient to pull my iDevice out of my pocket, etc. Since my iDevice is out 50 times a day anyway, I can pretty much get almost everything the watch can deliver in those 50 times. I generally don't want to get texts or calls ASAP, nor are such texts of calls so urgent that I regret the delay in almost every single instance. So personally, I don't see it. But for those who do (which could be everybody other than me), I hope you enjoy your watch.

Now I have no doubt iPoop would sell. The thread about the Apple Watch packaging in 7 pages long. 7 pages discussing the box it comes in. Wow. :D:D
 
It's interesting how many of the reviewers say this. But the same was said about the iPad. And the iPhone. And the iPod. Nobody needs expensive tech. But people will want it.


As one of the reviewers mentioned, those devices solved problems which is why they were successful. People stop needing a buy computers if they had an iPad, the IPhone was revolutionary when it debuted and the IPod basically got rid of having to buy a cd player and carrying it around.


The Apple watch doesn't solve anything. It's a remote control with limited functionality for the apps on your phone. That's it.
 
As one of the reviewers mentioned, those devices solved problems which is why they were successful. People stop needing a buy computers if they had an iPad, the IPhone was revolutionary when it debuted and the IPod basically got rid of having to buy a cd player and carrying it around.


The Apple watch doesn't solve anything. It's a remote control with limited functionality for the apps on your phone. That's it.

Eh - I think "solves nothing" is not accurate. There are clear benefits to a smart watch (I posted my use case earlier and won't rehash it). And for those that might wear a watch - why not have it be 'smart'

But as the reviewers have said - the device isn't for everyone. And like you and I have said (before) - it's more of an accessory when compared to Apple's other offerings.
 
Wait, so every time my watch has been taken off, and I try to pay with Apple Pay, I have to use Touch ID on my iPhone? Did I hear that right?

I almost never buy something more than once a day. So it will always be faster for me to just use my iPhone and not the watch.

It's as disappointing as the Touch ID pay feature on the App Store. There's a timeout with a password entry and I almost always exceed that window, so I have experienced the convenience of that feature maybe once or twice since getting a 5s.
 
The Apple watch doesn't solve anything. It's a remote control with limited functionality for the apps on your phone. That's it.

Are you serious?

1) The Apple Watch is a stylish watch, first and foremost. That alone is enough justification for many people to buy it.

2) It's a fitness tracker. Many people are obsessed with fitness, and many people who aren't obsessed with fitness really should be (if you know what I mean).

3) It's a wearable notification hub. You receive taps on your wrist to let you know about phone calls, alarms, messages, etc. You no longer have to pull something out of your pocket to get that information. It's an evolution of our digital lives. It won't appeal to everyone, but there is a clear use for it.
 
A Frustrating Day Of Constant Interruptions...

The Apple watch doesn't solve anything. It's a remote control with limited functionality for the apps on your phone. That's it.

This is front and center for those of us that are interested in all things tech, yet don't want to waste time and money on a device that may be nothing more than a novelty.


Here's a snapshot of the smartwatch experience:

"Once my phone started pushing notifications to my wrist, it was like a river of interruptions that just kept flowing and flowing. At first, I had to get used to ignoring them because I kept glancing at the watch during social settings.

My wife was quick to point out the message I was inadvertently sending to others around me: My repeatedly looking at my watch, people thought I was checking the time because I had other, more important places to be."





http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-the-apple-watch-will-and-should-change-your-iphone-habits/
 
Are you serious?

1) The Apple Watch is a stylish watch, first and foremost. That alone is enough justification for many people to buy it.

2) It's a fitness tracker. Many people are obsessed with fitness, and many people who aren't obsessed with fitness really should be (if you know what I mean).

3) It's a wearable notification hub. You receive taps on your wrist to let you know about phone calls, alarms, messages, etc. You no longer have to pull something out of your pocket to get that information. It's an evolution of our digital lives. It won't appeal to everyone, but there is a clear use for it.

1. You can get other stylish watches for $400 that won't become obsolete in 2-3 years.

2. You can get other fitness trackers for less than $400 that won't become obsolete in 2-3 years.

3. Pulling your smartphone out of your pocket hasn't been a problem for years. Apple even prides itself on how easy it is to slide your iPhone in and out of your pocket to glance at it. But it's suddenly a problem now that there's an Apple Watch?

$400 is very expensive to solve a problem that we never knew we had.
 
This is front and center for those of us that are interested in all things tech, yet don't want to waste time and money on a device that may be nothing more than a novelty.


Here's a snapshot of the smartwatch experience:

"Once my phone started pushing notifications to my wrist, it was like a river of interruptions that just kept flowing and flowing. At first, I had to get used to ignoring them because I kept glancing at the watch during social settings.

My wife was quick to point out the message I was inadvertently sending to others around me: My repeatedly looking at my watch, people thought I was checking the time because I had other, more important places to be."





http://www.zdnet.com/article/how-the-apple-watch-will-and-should-change-your-iphone-habits/

That's the interesting tidbit from the reviews. I assume you would have the watch setup to notify only to notify what would fall under the category of "what do I need to know about while my phone isn't around or out". If you say nothing... I am jealous. :)

Treat it the same way as you would if you only had a phone. When someone is talking to you, don't answer or look and set to silent. If your important or need to be notified and the phone isn't out or around or on silent. What would you need to know about?

If nothing, don't buy... if you like to have a life without your phone in your hand or pocket and like to wear watches, maybe you buy.

Just my opinion.
 
The reviews are messing with all of our heads because whenever a new iPhone or iPad comes out, reviews are always that it is the best device yet. So anyone on the fence gets confirmation that it is a good purchase to make.

But these so-so reviews that don't say "yes, get it!" are messing with those of us that are/were on the fence about buying one. We aren't used to hearing this about Apple products. It is creating uncomfortable hesitation. And for me too, as I am reading page after page of comments for confirmation of what I should do. This despite knowing with a device this personal, the decision should be all on me and how I perceive myself using it.
 
1. You can get other stylish watches for $400 that won't become obsolete in 2-3 years.

2. You can get other fitness trackers for less than $400 that won't become obsolete in 2-3 years.

3. Pulling your smartphone out of your pocket hasn't been a problem for years. Apple even prides itself on how easy it is to slide your iPhone in and out of your pocket to glance at it. But it's suddenly a problem now that there's an Apple Watch?

$400 is very expensive to solve a problem that we never knew we had.

I think you mean - you can get other watches that look as good (maybe better, maybe less) for $400 and all will still be working in 2-3 years - including the Apple Watch - My daughter still uses an Iphone 4 so it isn't obsolete. Conjecture to say the watch will be obsolete in 2-3 years.

Same with the fitness tracker comment. Conjecture to say the Apple watch will be obsolete in 2-3 years. No fitness tracker looks good to me and maybe only me. I need professional looking.

$400 is a fair price to pay for a very well designed watch.
 
I think you need to be more specific in what the Apple watch can do vs the Pebble.

Even being generous - I think you're wrong. Especially when it comes to real functions vs gimmicks.

Yeah because paying with my watch is gimmicky as is the number of third party apps already produced for the Apple watch ... :confused:

the Apple watch can do more than what it is even being shown to do now. The pebble watch doesn't even have the capability for extending it at the level Apple has provided out of the gate.
 
Yeah because paying with my watch is gimmicky or the number of apps already produced for the Apple watch ... :confused:

There is over 1000 apps developed for the Apple Watch in the first 4 days. I will reserve my opinion on their use and function until we see them. I, and again, maybe only me, would not be caught dead wearing a Pebble.

If someone asked me if I could choose only one watch, a $800 Tassot or a $650 Apple Watch with more bands that take 5 seconds to change, I would take the Apple Watch every day. It's that nice looking and same depth as my Tassot.

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I hope you break it in the process and are unable to bring it back. What kind of an attitude is that? Regardless of whether it is allowed and Apple takes it back, this is just @**hole behavior.

That was funny +1. I do believe it will have a higher return rate than the iPhone 6 but (IMO) probably equal to or lower than comparable products.
 
Flawed logic.

The problem with ANY learning curve in ANY product is what you've demonstrated.

if the learning curve to use a product is too steep or too long, many users will not justify overcoming that learning curve in order to use that product.

as your simplistic illustration shows, if the Journalists are down there, and the everyday consumer is even further behind, what makes you think that the everyday consumer is going to want to climb that steep hill? especially if the journalists who should be starting off in a better position are already saying it's difficult

this is so traditionally NOT APPLE. every Apple product I have ever used has been a showcase of simplicity and ease of use.

this is indication that perhaps Apple designers are NOT correct in how steep a learning curve they built into the device, but should probably have figured out a smaller sloped curve.

In a world of many options, you don't want to be this guy:
Image
(for anyone who has played MMO's you'll get it)

You're assuming I said that the learning curve is a steep one; I didn't, I am saying there is **a** learning curve, and the reviewers have barely started to climb it, and the rest of us are not even able to *begin* that process, so all these opinions are, at best, knee jerk reactions, and at worst, the usual fearful instinctive responses to what people THINK the experience is going to be, forming these opinions on the limited experience of others, ie, the reviewers.

If there's one thing I know it is this - Apple don't churn out rubbish, nor do they make experiences difficult, but of course the experience is going to conflict with our imagination and expectation of what it will be... but based on what? This is Apple Watch 1.0 - there IS no wrong way, this is ALL new, and people are going to have to go through this pain period of learning to get the full benefit and potential from their Apple watch - that's unavoidable, and if you expect to just "get it", ALL of it, in a few days, your kidding yourself . This is akin to anything else they've brought out - Mac OS X, iPhone, etc, people just need time to learn the usage patterns and form their daily routines of using Apple watch, all of which may ONLY be done with patience and time.
 
Kudos to Gruber for explaining how the Apple Watch fails at its primary function, being a watch. I was curious how this would work, since having the display on all the time would drain the battery too much. The watch may be great in other respects, but if I can't glance at my watch discreetly when I'm with someone or at some event where I'm not going to make a big gesture, thats really weak.
 
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