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Fragmentation.
Ouch and from day one even.


As has already pointed out in this thread, the two screen sizes of the Apple Watch make for a very poor example of fragmentation.

On the other hand, I have heard many smaller wristed women, teens, and even men express their delight at Apple making the effort to make a watch that will actually fit them.

When you look at the big honkin' size of some of the competition, it becomes apparent that the size differentiation of the Apple Watch will become one of it's most appreciated features.

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Wait a minute.

Are you actually suggesting this feature on the Apple Watch should be called the "mouse scrollwheel"?

Even if you're trying to take all marketing out of the naming equation, that is a hilariously out of date and inaccurate descriptor.

I never suggested such a thing. I was saying, just like the original poster, that the technology is far from new.

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Watch puns really tick me off.

I second that.

This is getting out of our hands.

Who has time for all those puns?
 
apple watch is a piece of crap.

Up3 + iphone does everything that's needed, if having a wearable is your thing.

So you know everything it can do, even though it hasn't been released yet? How did you learn this?

Please feel free to list its features for us:
How well does the sleep tracking work?
Does it offer smart alarms that only fire when you are in light sleep?
Can you use it to unlock your mac and provide password entry?
 
Looks like every other smart watch out there. Unlike phones, SmartWatch has to look good too. And this is just plain ugly. It looks like any other crap Samsung puts out. Pass
 
So you know everything it can do, even though it hasn't been released yet? How did you learn this?

Please feel free to list its features for us:
How well does the sleep tracking work?
Does it offer smart alarms that only fire when you are in light sleep?
Can you use it to unlock your mac and provide password entry?

I can tell you that the UP does 2 of the above 3. Today.
As for the third, I don't know that the apple watch does that either.

So... How is the apple watch a better solution?
 
Looks like every other smart watch out there. Unlike phones, SmartWatch has to look good too. And this is just plain ugly. It looks like any other crap Samsung puts out. Pass

People that have actually handled and seen the watch up close say different.
BTW, you're so original... just the millionth time the exact same thing has been said by a group of about 200 people posting here. We've heard it now; stop rambling.
 
Digital Crown = Rotary Encoder Clarification

Its already called a crown. So, digital is just to distinguish from the one normally on a watch. In fact, its probably Apple at its most respectful of watch history and the English language...

If you go back and watch the keynote, Apple made a really big deal about how new and innovative the "digital crown" is. Like it was some band new way of interacting with a digital device, akin to multi-touch / gestures in the days of the first iPhone... and yes, I know cap multi-touch / gestures existed before the iphone, (I saw the siggraph demos too,) but not in the numbers and proliferation that we've previously seen rotary encoders. Yes, the phrase "digital crown" is descriptive and (perhaps) accurate, but it is not a new paradigm for interaction with a digital device, and that is the way it is being marketed. I realize this is all marketing, that was pretty much the point of the comment.

NOTE: please don't misconstrue my clarification for snarkiness or trolling.
 
If you go back and watch the keynote, Apple made a really big deal about how new and innovative the "digital crown" is. Like it was some band new way of interacting with a digital device... but it is not a new paradigm for interaction with a digital device...

Of course Apple didn't invent the wheel!

However, the digital crown is it's first implementation in a wearable computer to get around some the limitations of a miniscule touchscreen. It is indeed "a brand new way of interacting" with this class of digital device.

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Here's the video clip of Tim Cook introducing the digital crown at the original Apple Watch announcement in September.

You just know that the engineering and ergonomics are going to be exceptional. My bet is that Apple has had a team of engineers solely dedicated to perfecting this one feature for years.

...and of course, we can't discount the fact that the darn thing will just work.
 
I can tell you that the UP does 2 of the above 3. Today.
As for the third, I don't know that the apple watch does that either.

So... How is the apple watch a better solution?

I think they're saying Apple Watch isn't just better because of the knowns. It's better because of the unknowns too. UP3 is very limited and cannot be upgraded in features, only some performance and bug fixes.

Apple Watch supports an app store so everytime someone says "So... How is the apple watch a better solution?" it sounds like someone saying "An App Store for a smartphone? I'll believe it's usefulness once I see it for myself."
 
If you go back and watch the keynote, Apple made a really big deal about how new and innovative the "digital crown" is. Like it was some band new way of interacting with a digital device, akin to multi-touch / gestures in the days of the first iPhone... and yes, I know cap multi-touch / gestures existed before the iphone, (I saw the siggraph demos too,) but not in the numbers and proliferation that we've previously seen rotary encoders. Yes, the phrase "digital crown" is descriptive and (perhaps) accurate, but it is not a new paradigm for interaction with a digital device, and that is the way it is being marketed. I realize this is all marketing, that was pretty much the point of the comment.

NOTE: please don't misconstrue my clarification for snarkiness or trolling.

Well, at least they didn't invent another word for the device :), which Apple could have done. Of course, they'll market the hell out of it, especially when no one else is doing it (differentiation is key for Apple).
 
Digital Crown is like a mouse attached to iPhone. Total nonsense. It's going to be PIA to use it. Try it on your traditional watch - pretend you're zooming and scrolling with it. With traditional watch, crown is mostly used to adjust time or wind up when you take the watch off your hand. Using it while watch is on your wrist is PIA.

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The documentation is in points but this article mentions it in pixels.
The 2 are not interchangeable.

The actual resolutions of the devices will be 544x680 and 624x780. These are retina screens with retina assets, so even though the functional resolution is lower, the actual resolutions is double what the article says.

Nope. This is from official documentation (https://developer.apple.com/library...tml#//apple_ref/doc/uid/TP40014992-CH22-SW1):

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272x340 and 312x390 :apple::apple::apple:PIXELS:apple::apple::apple:. Yawn.
 
Apple Pay with Apple Watch

Doubt it.

ApplePay uses TouchID, so you would still need to grab your phone.

The Apple Watch will be linked via Bluetooth to the iPhone in your pocket/bag. Once you logged into your iPhone with Touch ID and established the link to the Apple Watch, you're good to go and wave your Apple Watch at the NFC Apple Pay sensor. No need to take the iPhone out of your pocket/bag.
 
I would love to see the 42 mm stainless steel come in at $500, and I know many would be happy with this price. Hopefully we actually get some hands on time with the new product before launch day so that we know how they feel actually being worn.
 
Digital Crown is like a mouse attached to iPhone. Total nonsense. It's going to be PIA to use it. Try it on your traditional watch - pretend you're zooming and scrolling with it. With traditional watch, crown is mostly used to adjust time or wind up when you take the watch off your hand. Using it while watch is on your wrist is PIA.

QFT

(It'll be fun to look back on this type of statement in a year or two!)
 
Well 2 day battery life isn't impossible apparently -

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...iew-excellent-battery-life-acceptable-design/

"the SmartWatch 3 can eke out a bit more than two days of life. If you don't get as many messages as I do, I think well over 48 hours is totally doable."

Sony might have left off the heart rate sensor - perhaps a deal killer for the fitness crowd. But I'm impressed that they future proofed their watch a bit by including gps, wifi and NFC (although the latter two don't seem to be active just yet). I'm sure that would impact battery life though.

Interesting new "contender" in the smart watch arena. At least on the Android side.
 
bobob said:
Yvan256 said:
I never suggested such a thing.


Yvan256 said:
A lot of people already use a "digital crown". It's called a mouse scrollwheel.

Reading comprehension failure on your part, followed by you trying to put words in my mouth.

Let me rephrase that for you: The thing that a lot of people already use (that is technically similar to a digital crown) is called a mouse scrollwheel.

Is that better or will you try twisting my words again? :rolleyes:
 
Well 2 day battery life isn't impossible apparently -

http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...iew-excellent-battery-life-acceptable-design/

"the SmartWatch 3 can eke out a bit more than two days of life. If you don't get as many messages as I do, I think well over 48 hours is totally doable."

Sony might have left off the heart rate sensor - perhaps a deal killer for the fitness crowd. But I'm impressed that they future proofed their watch a bit by including gps, wifi and NFC (although the latter two don't seem to be active just yet). I'm sure that would impact battery life though.

Interesting new "contender" in the smart watch arena. At least on the Android side.

This is immensely tiresome. Cook said that it would last of day WITH INTENSE USE. Intense use is way way more than your few message.

BTW, he was talking of both watches, the smaller watch has about 35% less volume than the bigger one. Seeing as part of the smaller watches volume is occupied by non battery item, there's a good chance that the bigger watch would have 50-100% more battery life than the small one.

So, if you buy the big one, which is smaller than the other competing watches, by Cooks own admission, you'd get at least 1.5 days of intense use (and possibly more).

So, Hey, by your own standard of use, the larger Apple watch would last well into the third day (probably lasting the whole day).
 
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