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Apple Watch S2 certification is very confusing! up to 50 m.. what about dust resistance? does it even have dust resistance? because obsiously is not mentioned

So Macrumors.. how about you stop praising Apple Watch S2! because when it comes to water and dust resistance the iPhone 7 destroys the Apple Watch S2!!!
 
I've been doing lane swimming for over a year, multiple times per week with my original watch. No issues at all for the sport band. I'd worry more about the watch before the band.
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Mostly the same as the original in my experience so far. Tough to interact with the touch screen when fingers or screen are significantly wet.
Okay, thanks. That's the info I was looking for. I wouldn't be able to text in the shower, or at least without using Siri.
 
Thank you for this. I just finished reading a competitor site's review of AWs2 for runners and I thought 'how am i ever going to get anybody to do this for swimmers?' and this popped up on my feed. Perfect timing. Your comments addressed many questions I had. I do interval training based on heart rate (e.g., whenever my heart rate drops by 10, I go) so I want a real-time heart beat count. I use a Polar heart rate monitor today & it doesn't sound like the AW is ready to replace it yet.

What I really want is be able to ditch the wrap-around-the-chest monitor strap, which just pushes down to your waist when you push off. For now, guess I'll keep on counting laps in my head and wearing my triathlete short john :).

Thanks.
 
I think your perspective as a swimmer is similar to how many runners feel about AW as a running watch. If you are serious about the sport it's best to get a dedicated watch made for it. The AW tries hard to be a Jack-Of-All-Trades and truly is a master of none when it comes to sports tracking. It's a good activity tracker and huge convenience with notifications, ApplePay, signing in your Mac now. That is where it shines.

I'm hoping future iterations of the Nike branded AW becomes more of a unique, dedicated sports tracking watch than the marketing gimmick it is with the upcoming release. Apple needs to start designing sports watchs as sports watches rather than just slapping a name and unique band on the same watch that is in the other AW lines.
I think Apple may have realized this. It's interesting to note that there is no more "Apple Watch Sport", but rather an "Apple Watch Aluminum case" in its place. I think it was a case of misleading labeling as it did the exact same things as the non-sport watches.

I do agree that the Nike AW should have some real, extra, dedicated sport features though. The only current difference is a band and software additions.
 
I am getting my Apple Watch Series 2 today!

I do a lot of lane swimming - mostly 25m pool, rarely 50m pool.

I have taken some training with the Triathlon club and I do realize that with drills, stroke count and stuff probably won't be ideal. BUT - the bulk of my own swims are long distance swims - usually 1km - 40 lengths.

I have a LOT of gizmo's for lane swimming.

I really love the Sport Count - for tracking my lengths - every length you tap a button with your thumb. It's a little ring thing on your finger and you press a button with your thumb. (Older versions used to display the "lap" count for 2 seconds and then the length (lap) time (for example "26.2s") for about 4 seconds, so you could read it when you push off the wall underwater if you wanted to and see the count of your laps and the time for the last length, and then it would revert to the total time (which I would usually never see because I'd be swimming!). The old version of the Sport Count was awesome, but they wear out eventually, and the new one I have unfortunately displayed the lap count for like 10 seconds! Useless if you want to glance at it to see your last time for a length. This device allowed me to fine tune my efficiency in the water - I got feedback on every length letting me know if i went faster or not. If I spend less exertion and still got a fast time, I knew I was doing something right. By using the Sport count and a little coaching, I ended up being a pretty darn good triathlon swimmer. (not really saying much, since actually triathletes mostly can't swim! Which I liked a LOT and brought me into the sport of doing Triathlons actually!). OK - whatever - just sharing in case there are other swim nerds out there. The new version of the Sport Count device isn't as good as the old version of the Sport count. I called them and asked them to fix the timing issues - but hopefully I'll now be able to use the Apple Watch Series 2.


OK - another device I have that I rarely use was the Finess Aquasport wristwatch or something. It was pretty cool because it could do STROKE COUNT. This is where I think we are going to see the Apple Watch 2 shine. It should be possible to get the Apple Watch 2 to identify the type of stroke and do the Stroke Count and Swim Golf numbers while you swim. I hope this comes to reality - maybe from what I am seeing here, the Watch series 2 already has it! Hoping! The Finness aqua sport was fairly good, but the charging hassles and hard to read display meant I used it only a few times per year - mainly for a 5K yearly swim thing, and some special times when i was really working hard in the water. I have too many gizmos, and the stupid base for charging often got lost and tangled. Bring me the Apple Watch Series 2 please! I have the Apple Watch original one - and it has been useless for swim tracking. The 2 apps that were out for it just made me angry how stupid they were. Let's hope with Apple Watch Series 2 we truly have the start of some good swim tracking with motion sensing of stroke and counting of lengths/laps etc. etc etc.


Other devices. I had the Finness Aqua something bone conduction headphones. I bought that one twice. I used them for several years over hundreds of swims. Sound quality is not great, but they did work and it was OK. They last about 100 swim sessions without any maintenance but eventually water and chlorine means it's time to get a replacement.

The best underwater sound comes from Swimman. He waterproofed the iPod Shuffle (glue or silicone), and made his own headphones which have excellent comfort, water seal, and awesome bass! I use these religiously. Can't swim without them! When the headphones get old, or the shuffle gives up the ghost, I quickly order another set! I think the guy who invented these sold the company to a guy in Australia. Make sure you get the ones with their own headphones. There are guys selling almost the same thing, but they have poor headphones. The headphones this guy makes are worth paying for. Google swimman - they have a few different names for basically the same thing these days - search until you find the black headphones with the white things that go into your ear canal. The sound membrane is in a tiny box and the sound (Bass) gets amplified through a black tube I believe - this is why these headphones sound as good as the fancy expensive beats headphones etc IMHO. They truly are great headphones, and will transform your swims.

I abuse all my gear and any water gear will crap out eventually - I don't care - I just buy more. Rinsing? Drying? Forget that. Just abuse the hell out of it and see how long it lasts is my philosophy.


OK - what other gizmos? There is some sort of "tick tock" thing you put on your hips to audibly give you feedback for rotation in the water - never tried that one yet, but probably very good tool. I forget what other gizmos i have tried.

OK now I want to say some stuff about the Apple Watch Series 2:

1. Sounds like it's waterproof - it is waterproof guys - why all this talk about "resistant" - it's 50m depth water resistant. That's deeper than you as a human will ever go unless you are a pro scuba diver with helium gas training and stuff! Am I right or am I right?

2. The motion sensors could be very very important to app devs to fine tune and get the right algorithms to detect the type of stroke automagically.

3. Will GPS work indoors? I wonder how these things know you have turned around? The Finnis swim watch did it - I think they put in a lot of work to do it without GPS. Probably using the motion sensors and a little faking and guesswork.

4. Reducing your stroke count per lap is a hallmark of efficient long distance swimming. If you can do 25m with less strokes (like 12 or 14), it's better than if you are needing 18 strokes to get across the pool. If you do measurements comparing speed and stroke count, you will have some powerful training information!

5. I hope when I push off the wall and look at my Apple Watch Series 2 underwater it will tell me my last length time, and my lap count and also my last length stroke count! I hope the guys who made the swim app had some good swim coaches help them! Hoping hoping! We shall see - maybe tonight!

6. Giving this next idea up for the devs out there - contact me if you want help. Open water swimming. Use the GPS and some bluetooth LED arrays inside the swim goggles to give feedback for "left" or "right" so the open water swimmer does not have to slow down for sighting. ADDITIONALLY, could use the GPS to have a gang of swimmers make a peloton for drafting in open water - all this without actually having to lift your head to sight! You have the leader swim with GPS guidance and his "friends" can patch into him and follow behind drafting and saving serious energy and gaining serious efficiency! Someone else out there must be aware of this possibility. I'd like to be part of it if you want a helper or investor.

7. Swimming is one area of fitness that badly needs automation for tracking workouts. I'd look like a true athlete if my swims were added to my runs and bikes on the record! Please bring us good swim tracking done right!
 
Please stop spreading misinformation.

How much does Samsung pay you?

Waterproof/Water resistance the difference is that the Waterproof can be submerged for an infinite amount of time.

The Apple Watch can be submerged for as long as you want, as long it's up to 50 meters.



Can withstand indefinitely.
The irony in your post is not lost on me since it is complete misinformation. The information I posted is common knowledge and can easily be found in a cursory search. Where did you get your "definition" of waterproof? Certainly not from Apple.

Serious but unrelated question: What is your deal with Samsung? You seem inordinately angry... well, all the time and about everything. Did someone hurt you?
 
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That is water proof to deeper depth than a recreational SCUBA diver, so I think calling it Waterproof is appropriate!
You can call it "Mary" if you want, but that doesn't mean it meets the accepted definition of waterproof.

Keep in mind that the depth ratings are shorthand for withstanding a specific pressure - and once you start thrashing it around through the water - by swimming, say - you're actually causing significantly more pressure to be exerted upon it. If you take a "50 meter watch" to 50 meters deep (or even 49) and start swimming around with it, I think you may become rather sad at the outcome.
 
Apple Watch S2 certification is very confusing! up to 50 m.. what about dust resistance? does it even have dust resistance? because obsiously is not mentioned

So Macrumors.. how about you stop praising Apple Watch S2! because when it comes to water and dust resistance the iPhone 7 destroys the Apple Watch S2!!!
The confusion comes from two different types of certifications. Water resistance on watch v IP rating on phone. Water resistance on the watch is and ISO rating. Specifically, ISO 2281-2010 per Apple's description:
"Apple Watch Series 2 has a water resistance rating of 50 meters under ISO standard 22810:2010. This means that it may be used for shallow-water activities like swimming in a pool or ocean. However, Apple Watch Series 2 should not be used for scuba diving, waterskiing, or other activities involving high-velocity water or submersion below shallow depth."

The iPhone 7's IP67 rating says that it stops the ingress of water from a depth of 1m for up to 30 minutes. So it's definitely not more water resistant. Dust resistant? I can't say. The AW has never listed it's level of dust resistance. The original and Series 1 watch only state IPX7 which gives an indication of water resistance but no dust resistance.
 
I want a watch that I wear all day and charge each night
Just FYI, the Apple Watch can charge from 0-100% in about 2.5 hours. I've an AW1 and I've never yet used it to where it got near to zero. So, yes, I do charge it overnight, but sometimes, if I forget to do that, I can easily get it back up to 100% by docking on the charger while I get ready in the morning.

I only mention it because it's one of those things that people get confused about. They hear people say they charge the watch at night and think you have to charge it all night long, but most people charge it at night simply because it's an easy habit to remember. Dock the watch along with the phone when you go to sleep and it's ready in the morning.

But if you ever need to, you can re-charge it pretty fast, especially if it's not down too low.
 
Even with a rating of "waterproof," I wouldn't take my Apple watch into the ocean (saltwater). Does anyone known if Apple has commented how ocean-proof the new watch is?

I've taken my first gen Apple Watch in the ocean with me numerous times and never had an issue. It handles saltwater just as well as regular freshwater. If the water doesn't get in the device will be fine. It's designed to keep water out to 50m whether that's salt or fresh water. So yeah, I wouldn't worry about it.
 
I've taken my first gen Apple Watch in the ocean with me numerous times and never had an issue. It handles saltwater just as well as regular freshwater. If the water doesn't get in the device will be fine. It's designed to keep water out to 50m whether that's salt or fresh water. So yeah, I wouldn't worry about it.
Just to add to your comment: According to apple's website, it said that you can't take shower with soap. If anyone's going to take shower after swimming...yeah...
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Okay, thanks. That's the info I was looking for. I wouldn't be able to text in the shower, or at least without using Siri.

Correct. If anything, you'll want to use the new lock option in control centre that the Series 2 has. Essentially keeps the screen locks when you're going to be getting it wet so that unintended screen touches aren't simulated by water.
 
Not sure if it's my eyes, but did anyone else try to wipe the water off their screen only to find it's on the watch in the picture?
 
Correct. If anything, you'll want to use the new lock option in control centre that the Series 2 has. Essentially keeps the screen locks when you're going to be getting it wet so that unintended screen touches aren't simulated by water.

I just noticed that feature today and was going to post here about it. Nice to know.
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Does the watch notify you when your lap goal is complete? With water, I would assume it would have to be haptic feedback. Anything to not have to mind the lap counter....

There is haptic feedback when you hit your goal.
 
Masters swimmer... 99% of the time we swim a work out coach has posted on a white board. Rest between every interval. Surely there is a masters swimmer soon to be located at the giant donut who could write an app in which a coach could post his/her workout, and swimmers could DL to their watches. Pressing the crown between each interval is nothing. Watch is then tracking a per interval workout rather than the whole shebang. Swimmers could upload their results after practice, coach could analyze, teams could compete (social factor), etc. I guess neither Tim nor Jony nor Eddie spend much time in the pool. Time to delegate to a masters swimmer with some chlorinated passion - surely there are many at Cupertino. Finally two points: 1) 3300 yds / 131 laps = 25.29 yds per laps. Did the author enter this value for lap length, or is this an error (yikes). 2) Author did not mention any strokes per lap calc - is this righteous stat is available???
 
Just to add to your comment: According to apple's website, it said that you can't take shower with soap. If anyone's going to take shower after swimming...yeah...
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I'd also like to add that I've showered with my first gen Watch every day since I've had it and again it is completely fine. I really think Apple is just being over cautious so they can cover themselves. It's like how they say the Watch is waterproof to 50m, but they don't cover water damage.
 
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Even with a rating of "waterproof," I wouldn't take my Apple watch into the ocean (saltwater). Does anyone known if Apple has commented how ocean-proof the new watch is?

People took the first one into the ocean for 18 months (the unrated one) and they got ads with a guy surfing with the Apple Watch (you need to paddle to go surfing)... So, the second one should be AOK if you rinse it with tap water afterward.
 
I am getting my Apple Watch Series 2 today!

I do a lot of lane swimming - mostly 25m pool, rarely 50m pool.

I have taken some training with the Triathlon club and I do realize that with drills, stroke count and stuff probably won't be ideal. BUT - the bulk of my own swims are long distance swims - usually 1km - 40 lengths.

I have a LOT of gizmo's for lane swimming.

I really love the Sport Count - for tracking my lengths - every length you tap a button with your thumb. It's a little ring thing on your finger and you press a button with your thumb. (Older versions used to display the "lap" count for 2 seconds and then the length (lap) time (for example "26.2s") for about 4 seconds, so you could read it when you push off the wall underwater if you wanted to and see the count of your laps and the time for the last length, and then it would revert to the total time (which I would usually never see because I'd be swimming!). The old version of the Sport Count was awesome, but they wear out eventually, and the new one I have unfortunately displayed the lap count for like 10 seconds! Useless if you want to glance at it to see your last time for a length. This device allowed me to fine tune my efficiency in the water - I got feedback on every length letting me know if i went faster or not. If I spend less exertion and still got a fast time, I knew I was doing something right. By using the Sport count and a little coaching, I ended up being a pretty darn good triathlon swimmer. (not really saying much, since actually triathletes mostly can't swim! Which I liked a LOT and brought me into the sport of doing Triathlons actually!). OK - whatever - just sharing in case there are other swim nerds out there. The new version of the Sport Count device isn't as good as the old version of the Sport count. I called them and asked them to fix the timing issues - but hopefully I'll now be able to use the Apple Watch Series 2.


OK - another device I have that I rarely use was the Finess Aquasport wristwatch or something. It was pretty cool because it could do STROKE COUNT. This is where I think we are going to see the Apple Watch 2 shine. It should be possible to get the Apple Watch 2 to identify the type of stroke and do the Stroke Count and Swim Golf numbers while you swim. I hope this comes to reality - maybe from what I am seeing here, the Watch series 2 already has it! Hoping! The Finness aqua sport was fairly good, but the charging hassles and hard to read display meant I used it only a few times per year - mainly for a 5K yearly swim thing, and some special times when i was really working hard in the water. I have too many gizmos, and the stupid base for charging often got lost and tangled. Bring me the Apple Watch Series 2 please! I have the Apple Watch original one - and it has been useless for swim tracking. The 2 apps that were out for it just made me angry how stupid they were. Let's hope with Apple Watch Series 2 we truly have the start of some good swim tracking with motion sensing of stroke and counting of lengths/laps etc. etc etc.


Other devices. I had the Finness Aqua something bone conduction headphones. I bought that one twice. I used them for several years over hundreds of swims. Sound quality is not great, but they did work and it was OK. They last about 100 swim sessions without any maintenance but eventually water and chlorine means it's time to get a replacement.

The best underwater sound comes from Swimman. He waterproofed the iPod Shuffle (glue or silicone), and made his own headphones which have excellent comfort, water seal, and awesome bass! I use these religiously. Can't swim without them! When the headphones get old, or the shuffle gives up the ghost, I quickly order another set! I think the guy who invented these sold the company to a guy in Australia. Make sure you get the ones with their own headphones. There are guys selling almost the same thing, but they have poor headphones. The headphones this guy makes are worth paying for. Google swimman - they have a few different names for basically the same thing these days - search until you find the black headphones with the white things that go into your ear canal. The sound membrane is in a tiny box and the sound (Bass) gets amplified through a black tube I believe - this is why these headphones sound as good as the fancy expensive beats headphones etc IMHO. They truly are great headphones, and will transform your swims.

I abuse all my gear and any water gear will crap out eventually - I don't care - I just buy more. Rinsing? Drying? Forget that. Just abuse the hell out of it and see how long it lasts is my philosophy.


OK - what other gizmos? There is some sort of "tick tock" thing you put on your hips to audibly give you feedback for rotation in the water - never tried that one yet, but probably very good tool. I forget what other gizmos i have tried.

OK now I want to say some stuff about the Apple Watch Series 2:

1. Sounds like it's waterproof - it is waterproof guys - why all this talk about "resistant" - it's 50m depth water resistant. That's deeper than you as a human will ever go unless you are a pro scuba diver with helium gas training and stuff! Am I right or am I right?

2. The motion sensors could be very very important to app devs to fine tune and get the right algorithms to detect the type of stroke automagically.

3. Will GPS work indoors? I wonder how these things know you have turned around? The Finnis swim watch did it - I think they put in a lot of work to do it without GPS. Probably using the motion sensors and a little faking and guesswork.

4. Reducing your stroke count per lap is a hallmark of efficient long distance swimming. If you can do 25m with less strokes (like 12 or 14), it's better than if you are needing 18 strokes to get across the pool. If you do measurements comparing speed and stroke count, you will have some powerful training information!

5. I hope when I push off the wall and look at my Apple Watch Series 2 underwater it will tell me my last length time, and my lap count and also my last length stroke count! I hope the guys who made the swim app had some good swim coaches help them! Hoping hoping! We shall see - maybe tonight!

6. Giving this next idea up for the devs out there - contact me if you want help. Open water swimming. Use the GPS and some bluetooth LED arrays inside the swim goggles to give feedback for "left" or "right" so the open water swimmer does not have to slow down for sighting. ADDITIONALLY, could use the GPS to have a gang of swimmers make a peloton for drafting in open water - all this without actually having to lift your head to sight! You have the leader swim with GPS guidance and his "friends" can patch into him and follow behind drafting and saving serious energy and gaining serious efficiency! Someone else out there must be aware of this possibility. I'd like to be part of it if you want a helper or investor.

7. Swimming is one area of fitness that badly needs automation for tracking workouts. I'd look like a true athlete if my swims were added to my runs and bikes on the record! Please bring us good swim tracking done right!
Lmao....waterproof ...more like water resistant. Look at my previous post and you'll see that apple "boo yah" people with resistant. Nothing wrong with resistant by the way.
 
An almost 2 mile swim only burns less than 600 calories? I'd think with swimming, you'd be on a pace to burn almost 1000 calories per hour.

Yeah, depends on pace. I always find the calorie counts on all sports equipment, no matter the brand hilarious really. There are so many factors involved. If I cycle at 25-30mph uphill all the way in a decent headwind, the calories burned will be off the chart (and I will be wiped) and I'll be hungry like a bear. I'm a 160 pound, 6 foot tall woman who is mostly muscle (little fat); all these estimates are not be very good at evaluating energy expense in athletes.

They're more geered towards average intensity and average body.
I HATE average intensity (bores me to death) and constantly run/cycle/swim varying paces, extreme intensity with recovery in between till heart rate falls back to a set point, then off to the races again.
 
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