This is total BS. This would require a large antenna, clear view of the sky, and enough power to make your fingers fall off.
Nope, it depends on the satellite frequency band used.
This is total BS. This would require a large antenna, clear view of the sky, and enough power to make your fingers fall off.
So the question is, the device and sending the signal out isn't expensive at all. When you are in the middle of the ocean (or some forest) and the rescuer ask if you are okay paying tens of thousands of dollars to save your life, what do you tell them? That's where the costs comes from.
The inreach mini is absolutely huge relative to an Apple Watch. None of Garmins watches, which are also bigger than an Apple Watch, feature this capability either.
Garmin’s devices suggest that this functionality currently isn’t possible in a device as small as an Apple Watch.
Satellite internet requires a large antennae and a lot of power. But the bandwidth necessary for sending short messages is much smaller and is achievable in a smaller form factor.Take GPS for instance, it is a form of satellite connectivity, and fits in an apple watch just fine. (GPS only needs the bandwidth to send coordinates and altitude.)The low bandwidth is why this would only support messages and not voice calling. I think people are confusing any satellite connectivity at all with satellite internet.
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As others have responded, GPS is a bad example since it is one way communication. My main point is that the bandwidth small text messages require is much less than the bandwidth (and thus equipment) voice calling or internet requires.
This would be very cool when you are outside normal cell service.
Can you imagine if Apple just launched their own satellites for this instead of using an existing network?
Why does it have to be one or the other?I think I’d rather rely on instinct and survival skills vs a watch for this…can’t imagine someone stuck in the mountains and their watch battery is dead to where they scream “if only my Apple Watch was charged”
As someone who lives out in the states where it gets up to 120F and they have to constantly send out to rescue those people who are "overly confident hikers", I would like to ask you where the money by the "state" is from?Rescue missions are paid for or organized by the state or by NGOs, they are free, or covered by your insurance. Unless you are intentionally calling a for profit company for the job.
Civilian boats are legally required to comply when asked to detour for a rescue mission.
If the frequency required is say using what Iridium Communication is using, then I think you will be okay. Iridium devices are used most of the world already (they have a global coverage). So if it rides on the same frequency I think the necessary premission to operate is already in place.Will be a very useful feature. But most probably it will be available only in the US at launch.
So it won’t be in an Apple Watch anytime soon, since that is also much larger than an Apple Watch. At least wait until it’s in a Garmin Fenix before making predictions for the Apple Watch. The Fenix is larger and sits in a higher price tier than the Apple Watch, so logically miniaturization will be able to hit it first. Apple Watch will have to wait for the tech to both get smaller and cheaper…It will be like Iridium Go, but smaller.
Costs and who pays varies by state and country.As someone who lives out in the states where it gets up to 120F and they have to constantly send out to rescue those people who are "overly confident hikers", I would like to ask you where the money by the "state" is from?
I think those are the people's money that you are talking about. Which is why we have stupid hiker law. I'm not saying people should not be rescue, but there is a difference between if you go out to the sea and got hit with an unexpected storm vs if you know it's already 120F and you decided to go on a 10 miles hike with little to no water.
Thanks. I actually didn’t know you can buy insurance for these service. But that make sense. I suppose if I was traveling a lot I would buy into the insurance.Costs and who pays varies by state and country.
That said, these services have a monthly fee. If the provider wishes to, they could offer insurance as part of that fee. Garmin offers a separate insurance package people can opt for. If devices like these become ubiquitous, I could see the insurance becoming mandatory in some places.
As someone who lives out in the states where it gets up to 120F and they have to constantly send out to rescue those people who are "overly confident hikers", I would like to ask you where the money by the "state" is from?
I think those are the people's money that you are talking about. Which is why we have stupid hiker law. I'm not saying people should not be rescue, but there is a difference between if you go out to the sea and got hit with an unexpected storm vs if you know it's already 120F and you decided to go on a 10 miles hike with little to no water.
So it won’t be in an Apple Watch anytime soon, since that is also much larger than an Apple Watch. At least wait until it’s in a Garmin Fenix before making predictions for the Apple Watch. The Fenix is larger and sits in a higher price tier than the Apple Watch, so logically miniaturization will be able to hit it first. Apple Watch will have to wait for the tech to both get smaller and cheaper…
No from a microwave engineering point of view, it’s possible to make it into an Apple Watch. You just have to use the micro-strip antennas instead of lumped component antennas.
Excellent point. That watch weighs 3 times as much, and relies on land-based tracking. It also has an extendable antenna. I’m sure Apple will be adding that along with the stylus.Check Breitling Emergency watch.
So, a dedicated device that is 6 times bigger than a watch and does nothing else. Sounds like you agree this isn’t even close to happening.I’ve been using a small satellite tracker with emergency SOS text for years, a Spot Gen3 GPS tracker. Got it because I go on long-distance bicycle rides where there is no or limited cellular coverage, especially in Northern Ontario, or the Atlantic Provinces. Works like a charm, and is about the size of an iPhone.
Last time it was the phone. Turned out that the media misunderstood how one of the frequency bands in some Qualcomm chip was used. So now the rumor mill went double or nothing on the watch.Wasn't this rumor written about on MR a year ago? In any event, if something like this came to fruition, it could help save more lives, which is a good thing. I don't see this happening for several more years.
No from a microwave engineering point of view, it’s possible to make it into an Apple Watch. You just have to use the micro-strip antennas instead of lumped component antennas.
Nah, people suggested that a big antenna was needed to do this SOS thing. This older Spot does it, and smaller devices can do it too. The Spot is about the size of a Smartphone.So, a dedicated device that is 6 times bigger than a watch and does nothing else. Sounds like you agree this isn’t even close to happening.