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Well, Apple's profit margin was always known to be quite high so I don't get why people seem to be so surprised by it. I got my Apple Watch Sport SG yesterday and I'm happy with the product so far. However, the band could definitely feel better on the wrist for that price.
 
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Really? Is this a surprise? What about the silicone and leather iPhone cases they've been selling for upwards of $40-50? Apple is a profit making machine. They always have and always will be. Just like all of the other brands that can charge a premium for their products.


At least the way I see it is the cases aren't a core aspect of the product. I've had four iPhones and never once bought a case for them, I don't see the point. The Watch can't really be used without the band, and while I understand the reasoning behind selling them separately, not having a low cost option in the range of $30-$60 for an arguably already overpriced accessory is pretty bad IMO.

EDIT: My bad, I was under the impression the sport band was $150. I see it is $50 now which is obviously a high margin but not outside what you would expect for this sort of thing.
 
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I'm not sure what the big deal is... The iPhone silicon case is about $50. I'm sure like cases there will 3rd party straps.
 
These articles claiming how much something costs to manufacture, are just pointless, resulting in the usual clickbait comments.
 
I'm surprised Apple didn't incorporate any micro-adjustment in the clasp, all the watch bracelets I've owned so far have had this.
I have never owned a clasp bracelet before, but that does make sense and would not require me to change my eating or exercise habits. :)
 
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I must admit to be outraged by the cost of the watch. This information about the cost of the sports band vs the retail price simply adds insult to injury. My relationship with Apple has been seriously shaken by the Apple Watch affair. Although I have bought one, I feel very much less positively inclined towards Apple than I ever have in the past. This is a big change for someone who has been a big Apple advocate since 1990; one of the first with a mac.com email address. If I feel like this, I wonder how the less Apple-friendly types are feeling.

You may need psychological help. I'm serious. You appear to have an addiction problem. I generally love Apple products, but I don't feel compelled to buy every one as soon as it comes out. I make an informed decision as a consumer. If you were "outraged" by the quality or features after you had made your purchase, or were put off by the price before you purchased enough not to buy it, those would be rational behaviors. But you were "outraged" by the price, and yet had to buy it anyway. That's not rational. It sounds like addictive behavior.
 
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Yes right, professionals are wrong, and delusional people who would rationalize anything are right.

2$ price does include diluted cost of shipping, research, marketing etc... A 200,000$ budget for research diluted in 2 millions of Apple Watch amounts to 0,1$ per watch.

How do you know R&D and tooling etc. is just 200.000$ ??? Where do you get your numbers from? Do you have a clue what prototyping costs? Do you know how much they have to pay the people in Cupertino?

The "analysts" have no numbers either. They never designed or engineered anything. You underestimate what needs to be done to create something from the scratch. And if I recon correctly the sportsband only shares the holes with the 'common watch band'. The design is new and has to be created first and designers don't work for 1000$ a month.
That said I also believe that the band is in the range of 5$. But 2$ is just to low. The components for the watch are said to be around 90$ but I think you can double that at the least. The margin for the sports watch will be quite low per watch for the first two iterations.
 
I must admit to be outraged by the cost of the watch .... My relationship with Apple has been seriously shaken .... If I feel like this, I wonder how the less Apple-friendly types are feeling.

I'm guessing the less Apple-friendly types don't have such an intense relationship with Apple. They wont get 'outraged' - if they are price conscious they'll just walk away.
 
It's not robbery when somebody CHOOSES to spend their money on something that they don't have to.

A bag of potato chips costs $3. It takes about 5 potatoes at 20 cents each to make a bag of chips. That's $1 worth of potatoes. And they charge $3. That's a 300% profit! Is that robbery too?

Pretty much everything you look at is the same. A wooden chair costs $50, yet the price of it's wood is only about $4. A plastic chair costs $10, yet the price of it's plastic is less than 50 cents.

The materials that a product is made out of are not the primary cost to make something.

Wouldn't that be 200% profit? They paid $1 for the potatoes so that leaves $2 profit.
 
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I have never owned a clasp bracelet before, but that does make sense and would not require me to change my eating or exercise habits. :)

It does make it easier to get a comfortable fit. It usually needs a tool for adjustment though which is why Apple have probably omitted this feature.

micro_adjustment
 
It seems to me the real story is lost in all this blather about the gross margin on plastic bands. What about the sales number, 2.8 million watches? That estimate is far below the whisper numbers (one was seven million) that were being floated recently.
  1. Do you have a source for a "whisper number" of 7 million watches sold in the US?
  2. Do you have a reason for taking that number seriously enough to think that it's a "real story"?
 
That's why I returned my stone leather loop band. It felt and looked greats, but I really had trouble justifying spending $150 on small strips of leather that would fade and wear out. My prior experience with Apple iPad cases and leather covers have made me skeptical one the durability of the glue they use. Th milanese loop on the other hand...
 
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Step #1 Pay manufacturer to make mold for band and metal parts (or someone).
Step #2 Buy rubber and metal
Step #3 Tell manufacturer in china to attach molds to their machines
Step #4 Feed materials into machine and press go.
Step #5 Assemble items by hand or buy a machine that can if it is cheaper.

You think all those copy bands out there are made by custom machines?
3D Fluoroelastomer Printers... :p
 
Step #1 Pay manufacturer to make mold for band and metal parts (or someone).
Step #2 Buy rubber and metal
Step #3 Tell manufacturer in china to attach molds to their machines
Step #4 Feed materials into machine and press go.
Step #5 Assemble items by hand or buy a machine that can if it is cheaper.

You think all those copy bands out there are made by custom machines?

You think the quality of those bands is as good? And you really think you can get all 5 of those steps going on your own, with the money you have in the bank right now?

You can't.
 
I'd love Apple to bring some new material bands to market by the end of year. The Milanese Loop looks to be most popular but once seeing it in person compared to marketing images I was a little put off.
 
It does make it easier to get a comfortable fit. It usually needs a tool for adjustment though which is why Apple have probably omitted this feature.

micro_adjustment

It looks this would add a little thickness. But maybe they can come up with a better implementation of this. It would be nice for future customer.
 
Material
Stress testing
Length
Colour
Design of buckle
Hole spacing
Hole design
Detail design
Finish
Packaging design

Basically there's a lot more to it than you'd think, despite it seeming like a rather simple item. I can see R&D for the sports strap alone easily running in to the tens of thousands, possibly into the hundreds.

u forgot:
1. Allergy testing
2. Wear and tear/abrasion testing
3. Stiffness change over time
etc etc
There are hundreds of test for a company like apple. But well, you will always have moaners.
And NO, I havent bought an apple watch and I dont intend to buy one.
 
I think if you only concern about the ratio of the material and the price, it is just stupid when you realize being a teacher will cost you nothing for material. But to be a teacher (usually) needs time, skill, patience, etc. Then you think that's infinite % profit?
 
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Big difference when you're using expensive Swiss labor vs pennies on the dollar Chinese labor...

lol. :p really? most productions are automated these days. Bands dont need 'assembling'
cost of design in US and Switzerland are not far from each other.
 
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